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From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Isolated(anon) and Isolated(file)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:30:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28c262360909150830x36de7a28s869c57042a537f24@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090915114742.DB79.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM, KOSAKI Motohiro
<kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
>> Hi KOSAKI-san,
>>
>> May I question the addition of Isolated(anon) and Isolated(file)
>> lines to /proc/meminfo?  I get irritated by all such "0 kB" lines!
>>
>> I see their appropriateness and usefulness in the Alt-Sysrq-M-style
>> info which accompanies an OOM; and I see that those statistics help
>> you to identify and fix bugs of having too many pages isolated.
>>
>> But IMHO they're too transient to be appropriate in /proc/meminfo:
>> by the time the "cat /proc/meminfo" is done, the situation is very
>> different (or should be once the bugs are fixed).
>>
>> Almost all its numbers are transient, of course, but these seem
>> so much so that I think /proc/meminfo is better off without them
>> (compressing more info into fewer lines).
>>
>> Perhaps I'm in the minority: if others care, what do they think?
>
> I think Alt-Sysrq-M isn't useful in this case. because, if heavy memory
> pressure occur, the administrator can't input "echo > /proc/sysrq-trigger"
> to his terminal.
> In the otherhand, many system get /proc/meminfo per every second. then,
> the administrator can see last got statistics.
>
> However, I halfly agree with you. Isolated field is transient value.
> In almost case, it display 0kB. it is a bit annoy.
>
> Fortunately, now /proc/vmstat and /sys/device/system/node/meminfo also
> can display isolated value.
> (As far as I rememberd, it was implemented by Wu's request)
> We can use it. IOW, we can remove isolated field from /proc/meminfo.
>
>
> How about following patch?
>
>
> ========== CUT HERE ===============================
> From 7aa6fa2b76ff5d063b8bfa4a3af38c39b9396fd5 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:16:51 +0900
> Subject: [PATCH] Kill Isolated field in /proc/meminfo
>
> Hugh Dickins pointed out Isolated field dislpay 0kB at almost time.
> It is only increased at heavy memory pressure case.
>
> So, if the system haven't get memory pressure, this field isn't useful.
> And now, we have two alternative way, /sys/device/system/node/node{n}/meminfo
> and /prov/vmstat. Then, it can be removed.
>
> Reported-by: Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>
> Signed-off-by: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Reviewed-by: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>


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Minchan Kim

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-15 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-13 19:42 Isolated(anon) and Isolated(file) Hugh Dickins
2009-09-13 23:24 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-14  2:46 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-15  2:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-15 15:30   ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2009-09-15 23:49   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-16  0:04   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-09-16  2:09     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-16  2:19       ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-16  2:36         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-16  3:20         ` Rik van Riel
2009-09-16  3:29         ` Wu Fengguang

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