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From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3][v2] vmstat: add anon_scan_ratio field to zoneinfo
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:47:20 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28c262361001171747w450c8fd8j4daf84b72fb68e1a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100118100359.AE22.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

Hi, KOSAKI.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:04 AM, KOSAKI Motohiro
<kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
>> Hi, KOSAKI.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:18 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro
>> <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:
>> >> > Well. zone->lock and zone->lru_lock should be not taked at the same time.
>> >>
>> >> I looked over the code since I am out of office.
>> >> I can't find any locking problem zone->lock and zone->lru_lock.
>> >> Do you know any locking order problem?
>> >> Could you explain it with call graph if you don't mind?
>> >>
>> >> I am out of office by tomorrow so I can't reply quickly.
>> >> Sorry for late reponse.
>> >
>> > This is not lock order issue. both zone->lock and zone->lru_lock are
>> > hotpath lock. then, same tame grabbing might cause performance impact.
>>
>> Sorry for late response.
>>
>> Your patch makes get_anon_scan_ratio of zoneinfo stale.
>> What you said about performance impact is effective when VM pressure high.
>> I think stale data is all right normally.
>> But when VM pressure is high and we want to see the information in zoneinfo(
>> this case is what you said), stale data is not a good, I think.
>>
>> If it's not a strong argue, I want to use old get_scan_ratio
>> in get_anon_scan_ratio.
>
> please looks such function again.
>
> usally we use recent_rotated/recent_scanned ratio. then following
> decreasing doesn't change any scan-ratio meaning. it only prevent
> stat overflow.

It has a primary role that floating average as well as prevenitng overflow. :)
So, It's important.

>
>        if (unlikely(reclaim_stat->recent_scanned[0] > anon / 4)) {
>                spin_lock_irq(&zone->lru_lock);
>                reclaim_stat->recent_scanned[0] /= 2;
>                reclaim_stat->recent_rotated[0] /= 2;
>                spin_unlock_irq(&zone->lru_lock);
>        }
>
>
> So, I don't think current implementation can show stale data.

It can make stale data when high memory pressure happens.

>
> Thanks.
>

Moreever, I don't want to make complicate thing(ie, need_update)
than old if it doesn't have some benefit.(I think lru_lock isn't big overhead)

-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-18  1:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-13  8:19 [PATCH 1/3] vmscan: get_scan_ratio cleanup KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  8:21 ` [PATCH 2/3][v2] vmstat: add anon_scan_ratio field to zoneinfo KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13 10:31   ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-13 23:50     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-14  5:12       ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-14  5:18         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-15 17:23           ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-18  1:04             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-18  1:47               ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2010-01-18  1:54                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-18  2:10                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-18  2:14                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-18  2:16                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-18  2:24                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-18  2:25                       ` Minchan Kim
2010-01-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 3/3] [v2] memcg: add anon_scan_ratio to memory.stat file KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-01-13  8:24   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-13  9:08   ` Balbir Singh
2010-01-13  9:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] vmscan: get_scan_ratio cleanup Minchan Kim

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