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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: switch deferred split shrinker to list_lru
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2026 20:39:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2cfa402b-319b-4cea-a2fc-1cefab76c701@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ab1vnhL4XftNdTSu@cmpxchg.org>

On 3/20/26 17:02, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2026 at 08:21:21AM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>>
>>> I remember you raising this in the objcg + reparenting patches. There
>>> are a few more instances of
>>>
>>> 	rcu_read_lock()
>>> 	foo = folio_memcg()
>>> 	...
>>> 	rcu_read_unlock()
>>>
>>> in other parts of the code not touched by these patches here, so the
>>> first pattern is a more universal encapsulation.
>>>
>>> Let me look into this. Would you be okay with a follow-up that covers
>>> the others as well?
>>
>> Of course :) If list_lru lock helpers would be the right thing to do, it
>> might be better placed in this series.
> 
> I'm playing around with the below. But there are a few things that
> seem suboptimal:

I like that as well (and could even be applied on top of the other
proposal later).

> 
> - We need a local @memcg, which makes sites that just pass
>   folio_memcg() somewhere else fatter. More site LOC on average.

The LOC is really mostly just from the helper functions IIUC.

> - Despite being more verbose, it communicates less. rcu_read_lock()
>   is universally understood, folio_memcg_foo() is cryptic.

begin/end is pretty clear IMHO. Not sure about the "cryptic" part. Taste
differs I guess. :)

> - It doesn't cover similar accessors with the same lifetime rules,
>   like folio_lruvec(), folio_memcg_check()


I think it gets inetresting once the RCU would implicitly protect other
stuff as well. And that would be my point: from the code alone it's not
quite clear what the RCU actually protects and what new code should be
using.

But I won't push for that if you/others prefer to spell out the RCU
stuff :) Thanks for playing with the code!


-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-23 19:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-12 20:51 [PATCH v2 0/7] mm: switch THP shrinker to list_lru Johannes Weiner
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] mm: list_lru: lock_list_lru_of_memcg() cannot return NULL if !skip_empty Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:43   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-18 17:56   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-18 19:25     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-18 19:34       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] mm: list_lru: deduplicate unlock_list_lru() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:44   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-18 17:57   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] mm: list_lru: move list dead check to lock_list_lru_of_memcg() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:47   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] mm: list_lru: deduplicate lock_list_lru() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17  9:51   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] mm: list_lru: introduce caller locking for additions and deletions Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 10:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-17 14:03     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 14:34       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 16:35         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] mm: list_lru: introduce memcg_list_lru_alloc_folio() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-17 10:09   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-12 20:51 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] mm: switch deferred split shrinker to list_lru Johannes Weiner
2026-03-18 20:25   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-18 22:48     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-19  7:21       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-20 16:02         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-23 19:39           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-03-20 16:07         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-23 19:32           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-13 17:39 ` [syzbot ci] Re: mm: switch THP " syzbot ci
2026-03-13 23:08   ` Johannes Weiner

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