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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com, dev.jain@arm.com,
	baohua@kernel.org, shikemeng@huaweicloud.com, kasong@tencent.com,
	nphamcs@gmail.com, bhe@redhat.com, chrisl@kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] huge_mm.h: disallow is_huge_zero_folio(NULL)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 16:16:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <30f52bf5-ff37-4e22-ac57-7be0b03b1f51@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250827150330.280399-1-max.kellermann@ionos.com>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 05:03:30PM +0200, Max Kellermann wrote:
> Calling is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should not be legal - it makes no
> sense, and a different (theoretical) implementation may dereference
> the pointer.  But currently, lacking any explicit documentation, this
> call is possible.

This is true of a huge amount of kernel logic though. We can't always cover
off every single possibility when documenting these things, and there's
often an implicit assumption of this not being null.

>
> But if somebody really passes NULL, the function should not return
> true - this isn't the huge zero folio after all!  However, if the
> `huge_zero_folio` hasn't been allocated yet, it's NULL, and
> is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) just happens to return true, which is a lie.

Hmm seems like this is a bug under a bug. folio_put_refs() shouldn't be
passed a folio batch of NULL's.

Shouldn't we just put the VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() there?

>
> This weird side effect prevented me from reproducing a kernel crash
> that occurred when the elements of a folio_batch were NULL - since
> folios_put_refs() skips huge zero folios, this sometimes causes a
> crash, but sometimes does not.  For debugging, it is better to reveal
> such bugs reliably and not hide them behind random preconditions like
> "has the huge zero folio already been created?"
>
> To improve detection of such bugs, David Hildenbrand suggested adding
> a VM_WARN_ON_ONCE().

But I really don't think passing NULL to is_huge_zero_folio() is a valid
enough situation to justify this?

You've encountered a case where a bug caused folio_put_refs() to be called
with an invalid parameter, then you're arbitrarily changing
is_huge_zero_folio() so it would deref the folio and splat.

This seems not so great.

I really think the VM_WARN_ON_ONCE() should be in folios_put_refs() based
on what you've said.

>
> Signed-off-by: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
> ---
>  include/linux/huge_mm.h | 3 +++
>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/include/linux/huge_mm.h b/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> index 7748489fde1b..bc9ca7798f2e 100644
> --- a/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> +++ b/include/linux/huge_mm.h
> @@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
>  #ifndef _LINUX_HUGE_MM_H
>  #define _LINUX_HUGE_MM_H
>
> +#include <linux/mmdebug.h> // for VM_WARN_ON_ONCE()

Please don't do //.

This include is suspect though, huge_mm.h is included from mm.h and thus
this very easily might break some arch that is weird about this stuff,
because a ton of stuff includes mm.h including things that might absolutely
baulk at mmdebug.

I've had this kind of thing happen several times before.

>  #include <linux/mm_types.h>
>
>  #include <linux/fs.h> /* only for vma_is_dax() */
> @@ -479,6 +480,8 @@ extern unsigned long huge_zero_pfn;
>
>  static inline bool is_huge_zero_folio(const struct folio *folio)
>  {
> +	VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(folio == NULL);
> +

Convention is VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(!folio);

>  	return READ_ONCE(huge_zero_folio) == folio;
>  }
>
> --
> 2.47.2
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-27 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-26 23:16 [PATCH 1/2] huge_mm.h: is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should return false Max Kellermann
2025-08-26 23:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/swap: add BUG_ON(folio==NULL) to folios_put_refs() Max Kellermann
2025-08-27  1:42   ` Zi Yan
2025-08-27  2:12     ` Chris Li
2025-08-27  9:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27  1:19 ` [PATCH 1/2] huge_mm.h: is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should return false Zi Yan
2025-08-27  1:55 ` Andrew Morton
2025-08-27  4:39   ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27  9:36     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 10:13       ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 11:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 13:06           ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 14:34             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 15:03               ` [PATCH v2] huge_mm.h: disallow is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 15:16                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-08-27 15:38                   ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-27 20:01                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 20:26                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 20:44                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-28  8:48                     ` [PATCH v3] " Max Kellermann
2025-08-28  9:35                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-29  1:25                       ` Zi Yan
2025-08-27 23:53                 ` [PATCH v2] " Andrew Morton
2025-08-28  5:17                   ` Max Kellermann
2025-08-28  7:57                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-27 15:05               ` [PATCH 1/2] huge_mm.h: is_huge_zero_folio(NULL) should return false Max Kellermann
2025-08-27  9:35   ` David Hildenbrand

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