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Perez de Azpillaga wrote: > On 11/12/26 1:46 PM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: >> On 11/11/26 12:31, Jose A. Perez de Azpillaga wrote: >>> With CONFIG_NO_PAGE_MAPCOUNT, an anon large folio mapped by several MMs >>> isn't seen as partially mapped while its mapcount stays at or above the >>> number of pages. If parent and child zap the same half of a THP after >>> fork(), that half is mapped by nobody, the folio is never queued for >>> deferred split, and the memory stays allocated until every mapper is >>> gone. >> >> If you follow the history on this, in e.g., some raised in my talk >> >> https://share.daveh.de/s/bQsDpD7xigJ6wD8/download?path=&files=LSF_MM%2726_+Deferred_folio_splitting.pdf >> >> There are a lot of questions around this. >> >> In particular >> >> (a) Is it really relevant in practice. The only way you can trigger this if a >> folio becomes partially mapped *after* fork (by parent and child unmapping the >> same pages), and the child stays alive. Once the child is gone, the folio is >> only mapped by one process (e.g., child quit), the folio is properly detected as >> partially mapped. > > I don't have any relevant evidence in practice. found it by just reading > and testing in qemu. that is why I sent it as RFC. Ok. Because I would really be interested in real-life scenarios where it is a problem. It's only relevant for long-running parent+child combinations. For short-lived children (e.g., fork+exec) it's irrelevant. > >> >> So you need a long-running parent+child, and have them both do questionable things. >> >> (b) What is the overhead from having way too many folios in the deferred split list. >> > > I don't know yet. I only measured the walk in a TCG guest, nothing on > how long the list gets That would be really interesting. I assume there are some cases where a simple fork+exec would already add pages to the deferred split list even thought they are briefly after fully mapped by the parent. > >>> >>> Patch 1 moves the split_underused_thp check out of >>> deferred_split_folio(). Patch 2 queues such folios as candidates and has >>> the shrinker walk the rmap to see which pages are still mapped. >>> >>> 512 MB of THPs with the same half zapped by every mapper, memory freed >>> by the shrinker: >>> >>> before after >>> 2M, 2 processes 0 MB 252 MB >>> 2M, 3 processes 0 MB 237 MB >>> 2M, 2 children + parent PMD 0 MB 244 MB >>> 64K, 2 processes 0 MB 252 MB >>> 64K, 3 processes 0 MB 252 MB >>> >> >> Again, we can create nice scenarios that are likely not relevant in practice >> (such as 512 MB THPs, lol), but so far I doubted that this is relevant in practice. > > that's 512 MB in total, not the folio size. maybe I should have > clarified it. Ah, 512MiB of THPs, not 512MB THP, Yes, that makes sense. [...] >> >> Maybe one could track it a bit broader? "any page in this set of 16 pages is >> present". Reclaiming a single 4k page from a 2M folios is barely worth it. >> > > yes, that works. maybe with the group size scaled to the folio, so the > map is one long on the stack and 64K folio still gets one bit per page? > As an alternative, could we also just look for the next page incrementally? Like, start with offset 0. When we see that, move to offset 1, when we see that, move to offset 2 ... and once we saw all pages that way, stop the walk. I'd assume that, as long as VMAs don't get remapped, that should likely work in most cases, right? > however, maybe if I don't have real evidence, better drop it? I'd be very interested in an efficient way to test if a folio is partially mapped, and where the holes are. Knowing about the holes could guide a targeted buddy-like folio split. There was also the idea of letting folio_referenced() for that purpose, when we area already doing an rmap walk. -- Cheers, David