From: Pankaj Raghav <kernel@pankajraghav.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
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Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] add static PMD zero page support
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2025 11:59:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ed1e744-5536-4b47-a5ab-66cd300ded67@pankajraghav.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250707153844.d868f7cfe16830cce66f3929@linux-foundation.org>
Hi Andrew,
>> We already have huge_zero_folio that is allocated on demand, and it will be
>> deallocated by the shrinker if there are no users of it left.
>>
>> At moment, huge_zero_folio infrastructure refcount is tied to the process
>> lifetime that created it. This might not work for bio layer as the completions
>> can be async and the process that created the huge_zero_folio might no
>> longer be alive.
>
> Can we change that? Alter the refcounting model so that dropping the
> final reference at interrupt time works as expected?
>
That is an interesting point. I did not try it. At the moment, we always drop the reference in
__mmput().
Going back to the discussion before this work started, one of the main thing that people wanted was
to use some sort of a **drop in replacement** for ZERO_PAGE that can be bigger than PAGE_SIZE[1].
And, during the RFCs of these patches, one of the feedback I got from David was in big server
systems, 2M (in the case of 4k page size) should not be a problem and we don't need any unnecessary
refcounting for them.
Also when I had a chat with David, he also wants to make changes to the existing mm_huge_zero_folio
infrastructure to get rid of shrinker if possible. So we decided that it is better to have opt-in
static allocation and keep the existing dynamic allocation path.
So that is why I went with this approach of having a static PMD allocation.
I hope this clarifies the motivation a bit.
Let me know if you have more questions.
> And if we were to do this, what sort of benefit might it produce?
>
>> Add a config option STATIC_PMD_ZERO_PAGE that will always allocate
>> the huge_zero_folio via memblock, and it will never be freed.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-xfs/20231027051847.GA7885@lst.de/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-09 9:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-07 14:23 [PATCH v2 0/5] add static PMD zero page support Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-07 14:23 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm: move huge_zero_page declaration from huge_mm.h to mm.h Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 14:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 7:47 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-16 15:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-07 14:23 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] huge_memory: add huge_zero_page_shrinker_(init|exit) function Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 14:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-16 8:01 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 14:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 8:08 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-07 14:23 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm: add static PMD zero page Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 14:21 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-15 14:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 10:34 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-17 11:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-17 12:07 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 15:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07 14:23 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] mm: add largest_zero_folio() routine Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 14:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-15 14:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-15 16:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-07 14:23 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] block: use largest_zero_folio in __blkdev_issue_zero_pages() Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 16:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 13:24 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-07 18:06 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] add static PMD zero page support Zi Yan
2025-07-09 8:03 ` Pankaj Raghav
2025-07-09 15:55 ` Zi Yan
2025-07-15 14:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-15 14:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-15 14:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-15 14:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-15 15:25 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
2025-07-15 15:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-07 22:38 ` Andrew Morton
2025-07-09 9:59 ` Pankaj Raghav [this message]
2025-07-15 14:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-15 13:53 ` Pankaj Raghav
2025-07-15 14:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-15 15:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-17 10:43 ` Pankaj Raghav (Samsung)
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