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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Gladyshev Ilya <gladyshev.ilya1@h-partners.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Gorbunov Ivan <gorbunov.ivan@h-partners.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2026 09:59:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <440a5424-45b8-439e-b4f9-9e80e26029fa@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75aa8f34-4d91-4758-847d-248a5be3db62@h-partners.com>

On 3/6/26 15:29, Gladyshev Ilya wrote:
>>>
>>> You are right that refcount = 0 is tricky. However, for a bad outcome
>>> you will need:
>>> 1. Some external reference to this page, through which you try to
>>> increment the refcount;
>>> 2. set_page_count(0) somewhere between freeing and "it is safe to alloc"
>>> state.
>>
>> That is way, way, way too dodgy.
>>
>> What you should likely do is
>>
>> (a) Make set_page_count(0) set it to PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT
>> (b) Make any places that might skip set_page_count(0) to use it
>> (c) Document this all extremely thoroughly.
> Okay, I agree. My reasoning was more about "it's not _that_ bad if we
> miss something outside the allocator" than "everything is fine as it
> is", but maybe it is really that bad...
> 
>> Alternatively, disallow set_page_count(0) ccompletely and add something
>> like "initialize_page_as_frozen()" or sth. like that.
> 
> (Below are my thoughts, not active proposal)
> 
> Actually, we can keep "zero is locked" property if we change scheme a
> little:
> 
> If we invert locked bit so that 0 means locked, then we don't care about
> memset() / GFP_ZERO / set_page(0). But then there is extra bit on each
> active refcount, and (un)masking will be required on each refcount read/
> set/etc operation.
> 
> We can place locked bit in the highest bit like now, or move it to the
> lowest. This doesn't make any difference except for how masking is
> performed (and or shift). I can't really tell which approach is faster
> (and more optimizable after inline).
> 
> This approach doesn't look appealing to me, mostly because of redundant
> masking. So for now I will try to add proper initialization /
> documentation in all risky places.

I agree.

refcount == 0 will only be allowed temporarily while transitioning to
the frozen state.

In fact, you should then rename PAGEREF_LOCKED_BIT to PAGEREF_FROZEN_BIT
and page_ref_add_unless_zero() to page_ref_add_unless_frozen.

That then matches the terminology we use for inactive refcounts
(page_ref_freeze(), alloc_frozen_pages()).

And it will be a lot easier to comprehend compared to using a different
"locking" terminology when traditionally the "page lock" is something
completely different.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-09  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-26 16:27 [PATCH 0/1] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Gladyshev Ilya
2026-02-26 16:27 ` [PATCH 1/1] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit Gladyshev Ilya
2026-03-04 19:16   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05  8:10     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 11:50       ` Gladyshev Ilya
2026-03-06 13:10         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 14:29           ` Gladyshev Ilya
2026-03-09  8:59             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-02-28 22:19 ` [PATCH 0/1] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Andrew Morton
2026-03-01  3:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-01 18:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-01 20:26       ` Pedro Falcato
2026-03-01 21:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-03-04 17:34           ` Linus Torvalds

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