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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, ljs@kernel.org
Cc: usama.arif@linux.dev, hannes@cmpxchg.org, baohua@kernel.org,
	alex@ghiti.fr, ziy@nvidia.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	liam@infradead.org, npache@redhat.com, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	dev.jain@arm.com, lance.yang@linux.dev, vbabka@kernel.org,
	rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	willy@infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] mm: split underused anonymous mTHP folios
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 12:23:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46914256-508a-4737-86b9-a43be7e628a7@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260916224437.1164512-1-joannelkoong@gmail.com>

On 9/17/26 00:44, Joanne Koong wrote:
> PMD-sized THPs that are mostly zero-filled are reclaimed under memory
> pressure by the deferred split shrinker, but this is not done for mTHP
> folios. At Meta we would like to deploy 2M THP=always on arm64 with 64k
> base pages, as 2M provides the contpte benefits while the PMD size there
> (512M) is too big to use. However, 2M THP=always causes memory regressions
> unless the unused portions of those folios can be broken down and
> reclaimed.
> 
> v1 did two things. It scaled khugepaged_max_ptes_none down per folio order and
> it queued every anonymous mTHP folio. David objected to the scaling since
> collapse had already rejected proportional scaling as either letting the memory
> footprint creep or being confusing to reason about. David and Barry separately
> objected to the queuing, which adds list_lru lock contention on every anonymous
> fault, and hurts lower-order use cases such as Android's order-2-only
> configuration. Johannes suggested keeping khugepaged_max_ptes_none absolute and
> simply not queuing folios that could never exceed it, which addresses both.
> 
> Read as an absolute count, khugepaged_max_ptes_none also implies the
> smallest folio that takes part in underused splitting. A 2M folio on 64k
> base pages is 32 pages, so the knob has to be set below 32 for those to
> be queued at all, and any folio with no more pages than the value stays off
> the queue entirely.
> 
> Patch 1 makes thp_underused() folio-size aware. Today it only ever sees
> PMD-sized folios, so it assumes HPAGE_PMD_NR pages throughout. Patch 3
> breaks that assumption, so patch 1 generalizes it first. No functional
> changes are introduced.
> 
> Patch 2 keeps folios that can never be found underused off the deferred
> split queue, as suggested by Johannes. This changes/optimizes existing
> behavior. With the default khugepaged/max_ptes_none, PMD folios are queued
> today and then dropped again by the first scan without ever having been
> splittable. After this patch they are not queued at all.

I think we discussed queuing folios once the value changes and you would
actually be able to split some. Was there a good reason why that idea was dropped?

-- 
Cheers,

David


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-21 10:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-16 22:44 [PATCH v2 0/3] mm: split underused anonymous mTHP folios Joanne Koong
2026-09-16 22:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] mm/huge_memory: make thp_underused() work for " Joanne Koong
2026-09-16 22:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] mm/huge_memory: don't queue folios that can never be underused Joanne Koong
2026-09-16 22:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] mm/memory: add anonymous mTHP folios to the deferred split list Joanne Koong
2026-09-20 16:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] mm: split underused anonymous mTHP folios Lance Yang
2026-09-21 10:04   ` Barry Song
2026-09-21 10:08   ` Usama Arif
2026-09-21 10:22     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-22 10:33     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-21 10:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-23  0:44     ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-23  6:00       ` Barry Song
2026-09-25 22:40         ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-23  9:44       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-25 23:47         ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-28  8:03           ` Barry Song
2026-10-01  9:10             ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-28 19:20           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-01  9:59             ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-21 10:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-09-21 20:33   ` Joanne Koong
2026-09-22 18:59     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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