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From: Dragos Tatulea <dtatulea@nvidia.com>
To: Luigi Rizzo <lrizzo@google.com>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Luigi Rizzo <rizzo.unipi@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, driver-core@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] swiotlb/mm: Implement SWIOTLB nocopy page allocator
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 19:38:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <472d9fe1-0044-4e47-af5f-cb03618d77b0@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMOZA0JstwiwoWFuFjpoC1W12ir2b=SrWPO9i9tto1rOksKGgQ@mail.gmail.com>



On 24.08.26 18:30, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 6:06 PM Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2026-08-24 4:29 pm, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
>>> Introduce swiotlb_alloc_pages() and swiotlb_free_pages() to allocate
>>> and release compound pages directly from the default SWIOTLB pool.
>>
>> Huh? The sole intended purpose of SWIOTLB is for bounce-buffering data
>> which already exists in some other memory that is unsuitable for DMA for
>> whatever reason. If you want to allocate directly from some kind of
>> pre-shared DMA page pool to avoid bounce-buffering, set up some kind of
>> pre-shared DMA page pool and allocate from that in a manner which can
>> avoid bouncing entirely (see DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED). The idea of getting as
>> far as calling swiotlb_bounce() to then have a special case saying "haha
>> not really" seems entirely absurd. Don't hack stuff into the SWIOTLB
>> code which has no business being there.
> 
> Ah I see DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED did not exist when I implemented the
> swiotlb allocator. Cool, one less piece, it should be possible to replace
> this chunk witth the DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED.
> 
I agree with Robin's point (if I understood it correctly):
Why should it at all pass through the SWIOTLB? Why can't it be a standalone
DMA pool?

> The other pieces are still relevant though ?
> 
> - use these dma-able pages for page pool allocations (small)
> - [PATCH v2 3/5] net/swiotlb: Track bounce device per socket
>   or one would have to unconditionally allocate from that pool,
>   even for e.g. local sockets
> - divert socket allocations for eligible sockets to a DMA-able pool
> 

Thanks,
Dragos


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-24 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260615234220.3946885-1-lrizzo@google.com>
     [not found] ` <20260615172535.080cf94f@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <CAMOZA0KAHKsvA9yRcdrjG13S+=rJhw-Cvnw2WdLjGGY0azG0kw@mail.gmail.com>
2026-06-16 11:06     ` [PATCH] swiotlb: avoid double copy with swiotlb on tx socket Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-24  8:59       ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-08-24 15:32         ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 17:39           ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-08-25 16:33         ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-26 15:39           ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-08-24 15:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] swiotlb: avoid swiotlb copy on network sockets Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 15:29   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] swiotlb: enforce pool nareas and nslabs invariants Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 15:29   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] swiotlb/mm: Implement SWIOTLB nocopy page allocator Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 16:05     ` Robin Murphy
2026-08-24 16:30       ` Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 17:38         ` Dragos Tatulea [this message]
2026-08-24 15:29   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] net/swiotlb: Track bounce device per socket Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 15:29   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] net: Divert socket allocations to SWIOTLB for nocopy TX Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 16:32     ` Randy Dunlap
2026-08-24 15:29   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] swiotlb: Implement RX nocopy with fast recycling eviction Luigi Rizzo
2026-08-24 17:38     ` Dragos Tatulea
2026-08-24 17:37   ` [PATCH v2 0/5] swiotlb: avoid swiotlb copy on network sockets Dragos Tatulea
2026-08-25  8:03   ` [syzbot ci] " syzbot ci

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