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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"yamamoto@valinux.co.jp" <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
	"riel@redhat.com" <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Clarify mem_cgroup lock handling and avoid races.
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:10:53 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BBCB75.201@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080220133742.94a0b1b6.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:14:58 +0000 (GMT)
> Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:40:45 +0000 (GMT)
>>> Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A lot in common with yours, a lot not.  (And none of it addressing
>>>> that issue of opt-out I raise in the last paragraph: haven't begun
>>>> to go into that one, hoped you and Balbir would look into it.)
>>>>
>>> I have some trial patches for reducing atomic_ops by do_it_lazy method.
>>> Now, I'm afraid that performence is too bad when there is *no* memory
>>> pressure.
>> But it isn't just the atomic ops, it's the whole business of
>> mem_cgroup_charge_common plus mem_cgroup_uncharge_page per page.
>>
>> The existence of force_empty indicates that the system can get along
>> without the charge on the page. 
> Yes.
> 
>> What's needed, I think, is something in struct mm, a flag or a reserved value
>> in mm->mem_cgroup, to say don't do any of this mem_cgroup stuff on me; and a cgroup
>> fs interface to set that, in the same way as force_empty is done.
> 
> I agree here. I believe we need "no charge" flag at least to the root group.
> For root group, it's better to have boot option if not complicated.

I don't think that would work very well. A boot option to turn off everything
makes more sense. The reason why I say it would not work very well is

1. You might want to control the memory used the root cgroup. Consider a system
where all tasks are distributed across sub-cgroups and only a few and default
tasks will be left in the root cgroup. The administrator might want to control
how much memory can be used
2. We need to account for root's usage. This will become very important once we
implement a hierarchy and build in support for shares.
3. The interface remains consistent that way, treating the root as special would
make our interface inconsistent (since we cannot apply/enforce limits at root).

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-20  6:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-19 12:54 [RFC][PATCH] Clarify mem_cgroup lock handling and avoid races KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-19 15:40 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20  1:03   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  4:14     ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20  4:37       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  4:39         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20  4:41           ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20  6:40         ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2008-02-20  7:23           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  3:14   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  3:37     ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-02-20  4:13       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  4:32     ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20  5:57   ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20  9:58     ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-20 10:06       ` Paul Menage
2008-02-20 10:11         ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 10:18           ` Paul Menage
2008-02-20 10:55             ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 11:21               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20 11:18                 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 11:32                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20 11:34                     ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 11:44                       ` Paul Menage
2008-02-20 11:41                   ` Paul Menage
2008-02-20 11:36       ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 11:55         ` Paul Menage
2008-02-21  2:49         ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-21  6:35           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-21  9:07             ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-21  9:21               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-21  9:28                 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21  9:44                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22  3:31                     ` [RFC] Block I/O Cgroup Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-22  5:05                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22  5:45                         ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-21  9:25               ` [RFC][PATCH] Clarify mem_cgroup lock handling and avoid races Balbir Singh
2008-02-20  6:27   ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-20  6:50     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  8:32       ` Clean up force_empty (Was Re: [RFC][PATCH] Clarify mem_cgroup lock handling and avoid races.) KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20 10:07         ` Clean up force_empty Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-22  9:24       ` [RFC][PATCH] Clarify mem_cgroup lock handling and avoid races Hugh Dickins
2008-02-22 10:07         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22 10:25           ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-22 10:34             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22 10:50         ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-02-22 11:14         ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 12:00           ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-22 12:28             ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 12:53               ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-25  3:18                 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-19 15:54 ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-02-19 16:26   ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20  1:55     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  2:05       ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-02-20  2:15         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-20  2:32           ` YAMAMOTO Takashi
2008-02-20  4:27             ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20  6:38     ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 11:00       ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20 11:32         ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 14:19           ` Hugh Dickins
2008-02-20  5:00 ` Balbir Singh

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