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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"chris.mason@oracle.com" <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] HWPOISON: define VM_FAULT_HWPOISON to 0 when	feature is disabled
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:05:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A327CB1.6060009@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090612153501.GA5737@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:

> So i think hwpoison simply does not affect our ability to get log 
> messages out - but it sure allows crappier hardware to be used.
> Am i wrong about that for some reason?

You are :)

A 2-bit memory error can be a temporary failure, eg.
due to a cosmic ray.  If bit errors could be prevented
in hardware, there would be no reason to have ECC at all.

The only reason to stop using that page is because we
do not know for sure whether the error was temporary
or permanent (or dependent on a particular bit pattern).

Userspace needs to be notified that some data disappeared,
if it did - for clean pagecache and swap cache pages, the
kernel can simply take the page away and wait for a page
fault...

The sysadmin needs to know that something happened too,
because the hardware *might* have a problem.

However, a 2-bit error does not imply that the hardware
actually needs to be replaced.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-12 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-11 14:22 [PATCH 0/5] [RFC] HWPOISON incremental fixes Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 1/5] HWPOISON: define VM_FAULT_HWPOISON to 0 when feature is disabled Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 15:44   ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:00   ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 13:15     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 11:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 12:57     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 13:17       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 13:33         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 15:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 16:14             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 18:07               ` Alan Cox
2009-06-12 17:55             ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-12 13:58         ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 15:28         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-12 15:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 16:05             ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2009-06-12 16:37             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-12 16:48               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-15  7:04               ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-15  6:52             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-16 20:27               ` Russ Anderson
2009-06-17  7:51                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-12 15:45         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-12 16:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 2/5] HWPOISON: fix tasklist_lock/anon_vma locking order Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 15:59   ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:03   ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 10:07     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-12 13:27     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-12 14:04       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 3/5] HWPOISON: remove early kill option for now Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 16:06   ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12  9:59   ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 4/5] HWPOISON: report sticky EIO for poisoned file Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 16:31   ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:07   ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 13:41     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 14:22 ` [PATCH 5/5] HWPOISON: use the safer invalidate page for possible metadata pages Wu Fengguang
2009-06-11 16:36   ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-12 10:56 ` [PATCH 0/5] [RFC] HWPOISON incremental fixes Andi Kleen
2009-06-12 13:59   ` Wu Fengguang

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