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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: "Ira W. Snyder" <iws@ovro.caltech.edu>
Cc: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	s.hetze@linux-ag.com, alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCHv5 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:56:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AB8F3C0.7090203@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090922152520.GA9154@ovro.caltech.edu>

On 09/22/2009 06:25 PM, Ira W. Snyder wrote:
>
>> Yes.  vbus is more finely layered so there is less code duplication.
>>
>> The virtio layering was more or less dictated by Xen which doesn't have
>> shared memory (it uses grant references instead).  As a matter of fact
>> lguest, kvm/pci, and kvm/s390 all have shared memory, as you do, so that
>> part is duplicated.  It's probably possible to add a virtio-shmem.ko
>> library that people who do have shared memory can reuse.
>>
>>      
> Seems like a nice benefit of vbus.
>    

Yes, it is.  With some work virtio can gain that too (virtio-shmem.ko).

>>> I've given it some thought, and I think that running vhost-net (or
>>> similar) on the ppc boards, with virtio-net on the x86 crate server will
>>> work. The virtio-ring abstraction is almost good enough to work for this
>>> situation, but I had to re-invent it to work with my boards.
>>>
>>> I've exposed a 16K region of memory as PCI BAR1 from my ppc board.
>>> Remember that this is the "host" system. I used each 4K block as a
>>> "device descriptor" which contains:
>>>
>>> 1) the type of device, config space, etc. for virtio
>>> 2) the "desc" table (virtio memory descriptors, see virtio-ring)
>>> 3) the "avail" table (available entries in the desc table)
>>>
>>>        
>> Won't access from x86 be slow to this memory (on the other hand, if you
>> change it to main memory access from ppc will be slow... really depends
>> on how your system is tuned.
>>
>>      
> Writes across the bus are fast, reads across the bus are slow. These are
> just the descriptor tables for memory buffers, not the physical memory
> buffers themselves.
>
> These only need to be written by the guest (x86), and read by the host
> (ppc). The host never changes the tables, so we can cache a copy in the
> guest, for a fast detach_buf() implementation (see virtio-ring, which
> I'm copying the design from).
>
> The only accesses are writes across the PCI bus. There is never a need
> to do a read (except for slow-path configuration).
>    

Okay, sounds like what you're doing it optimal then.

> In the spirit of "post early and often", I'm making my code available,
> that's all. I'm asking anyone interested for some review, before I have
> to re-code this for about the fifth time now. I'm trying to avoid
> Haskins' situation, where he's invented and debugged a lot of new code,
> and then been told to do it completely differently.
>
> Yes, the code I posted is only compile-tested, because quite a lot of
> code (kernel and userspace) must be working before anything works at
> all. I hate to design the whole thing, then be told that something
> fundamental about it is wrong, and have to completely re-write it.
>    

Understood.  Best to get a review from Rusty then.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-22 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1251388414.git.mst@redhat.com>
2009-08-27 16:06 ` [PATCHv5 1/3] mm: export use_mm/unuse_mm to modules Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-28 15:31   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCHv5 2/3] mm: reduce atomic use on use_mm fast path Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCHv5 3/3] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-03 18:39   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-07 10:15     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-08 17:20       ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-08 20:14         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-11 15:17           ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-13  5:46             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14  5:57               ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-14  7:05                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-11 16:00         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-11 16:14           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-13 12:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 16:08             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-14 16:47               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 19:14                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 12:35                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:03                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 13:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 13:50                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 14:28                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 15:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-15 20:08                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 20:40                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 20:43                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:25                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:39                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 21:38                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-15 21:55                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 14:57                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 15:13                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16 15:22                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-16 16:08                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-16  8:23                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 11:44                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 13:05                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 14:10                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 15:59                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-16 19:22                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-16 21:00                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17  3:11                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17  7:49                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-17 14:16                                               ` Javier Guerra
2009-09-21 21:43                                               ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22  9:43                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-22 15:25                                                   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-22 15:56                                                     ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-09-23 14:26                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 14:37                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 15:10                                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 17:58                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-23 19:37                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-23 21:15                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-24  7:18                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 18:03                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-25  8:22                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-25 21:32                                                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-27  9:43                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 20:04                                                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-10-01  8:34                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-01  9:28                                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-01 19:24                                                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-10-03 10:00                                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 19:27                                                                 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-25  7:43                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24  8:03                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-24 18:04                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-17  3:57                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-17  4:13                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-15 12:32                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-14 16:53               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-14 19:28                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-09-25 17:01   ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-09-27  7:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] <E88DD564E9DC5446A76B2B47C3BCCA150219600F9B@pdsmsx503.ccr.corp.intel.com>
2009-08-31 11:42 ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 15:23   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-09-01 14:58     ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 17:52   ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-31 21:56     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-01 15:37       ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-09-01  5:04     ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-08-31 11:42 ` Xin, Xiaohui

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