From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
lwoodman@redhat.com,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: FWD: [PATCH v2] vmscan: limit concurrent reclaimers in shrink_zone
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:43:32 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B2BBF44.2090104@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091218162332.GR29790@random.random>
On 12/18/2009 11:23 AM, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:05:23PM +0000, Hugh Dickins wrote:
>> An rwlock there has been proposed on several occasions, but
>> we resist because that change benefits this case but performs
>> worse on more common cases (I believe: no numbers to back that up).
>
> I think rwlock for anon_vma is a must. Whatever higher overhead of the
> fast path with no contention is practically zero, and in large smp it
> allows rmap on long chains to run in parallel, so very much worth it
> because downside is practically zero and upside may be measurable
> instead in certain corner cases. I don't think it'll be enough, but I
> definitely like it.
I agree, changing the anon_vma lock to an rwlock should
work a lot better than what we have today. The tradeoff
is a tiny slowdown in medium contention cases, at the
benefit of avoiding catastrophic slowdown in some cases.
With Nick Piggin's fair rwlocks, there should be no issue
at all.
> Rik suggested to me to have a cowed newly allocated page to use its
> own anon_vma. Conceptually Rik's idea is fine one, but the only
> complication then is how to chain the same vma into multiple anon_vma
> (in practice insert/removal will be slower and more metadata will be
> needed for additional anon_vmas and vams queued in more than
> anon_vma). But this only will help if the mapcount of the page is 1,
> if the mapcount is 10000 no change to anon_vma or prio_tree will solve
> this,
It's even more complex than this for anonymous pages.
Anonymous pages get COW copied in child (and parent)
processes, potentially resulting in one page, at each
offset into the anon_vma, for every process attached
to the anon_vma.
As a result, with 10000 child processes, page_referenced
can end up searching through 10000 VMAs even for pages
with a mapcount of 1!
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-18 17:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-11 21:46 [PATCH v2] vmscan: limit concurrent reclaimers in shrink_zone Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 0:14 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 4:09 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 4:19 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 4:29 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 5:00 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 12:22 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 12:23 ` [cleanup][PATCH 1/8] vmscan: Make shrink_zone_begin/end helper function KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 14:34 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 22:39 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 12:24 ` [PATCH 2/8] Mark sleep_on as deprecated KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 13:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-12-14 16:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-12-14 14:34 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 22:44 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 12:29 ` [PATCH 3/8] Don't use sleep_on() KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 14:35 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 22:46 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 12:30 ` [PATCH 4/8] Use prepare_to_wait_exclusive() instead prepare_to_wait() KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 14:33 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-15 0:45 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-15 5:32 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-12-15 8:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-12-15 14:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-12-15 14:58 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-15 18:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-12-15 18:43 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-12-15 19:33 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-16 0:48 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-16 2:44 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-16 5:43 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-12-14 23:03 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 12:30 ` [PATCH 5/8] Use io_schedule() instead schedule() KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 14:37 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 23:46 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-15 0:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-15 1:13 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 12:31 ` [PATCH 6/8] Stop reclaim quickly when the task reclaimed enough lots pages KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 14:45 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 23:51 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-15 0:11 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-15 0:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 12:32 ` [PATCH 7/8] Use TASK_KILLABLE instead TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 14:47 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 23:52 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-14 12:32 ` [PATCH 8/8] mm: Give up allocation if the task have fatal signal KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 14:48 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-14 23:54 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-15 0:50 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-15 1:03 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-15 1:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 12:40 ` [PATCH v2] vmscan: limit concurrent reclaimers in shrink_zone KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-14 17:08 ` Larry Woodman
2009-12-15 0:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
[not found] ` <20091217193818.9FA9.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
2009-12-17 12:23 ` FWD: " Larry Woodman
2009-12-17 14:43 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-17 19:55 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-17 21:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-12-17 22:52 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-18 16:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 17:43 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2009-12-18 10:27 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-18 14:09 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-18 13:38 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-18 14:12 ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-18 14:13 ` Avi Kivity
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