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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Webb <chris@arachsys.com>,
	balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	KVM development list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RF C/T/D] Unmapped page cache control - via boot parameter
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:16:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B9F5A96.1040705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B9F5556.7060103@redhat.com>

On 03/16/2010 11:54 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>
>> Is this with qcow2, raw file, or direct volume access?
>>
>> I can understand it for qcow2, but for direct volume access this
>> shouldn't happen.  The guest schedules as many writes as it can,
>> followed by a sync.  The host (and disk) can then reschedule them
>> whether they are in the writeback cache or in the block layer, and must
>> sync in the same way once completed.
>>
>> Perhaps what we need is bdrv_aio_submit() which can take a number of
>> requests.  For direct volume access, this allows easier reordering
>> (io_submit() should plug the queues before it starts processing and
>> unplug them when done, though I don't see the code for this?).  For
>> qcow2, we can coalesce metadata updates for multiple requests into one
>> RMW (for example, a sequential write split into multiple 64K-256K write
>> requests).
>>      
> We already do merge sequential writes back into one larger request. So
> this is in fact a case that wouldn't benefit from such changes.

I'm not happy with that.  It increases overall latency.  With qcow2 it's 
fine, but I'd let requests to raw volumes flow unaltered.

> It may
> help for other cases. But even if it did, coalescing metadata writes in
> qcow2 sounds like a good way to mess up, so I'd stay with doing it only
> for the data itself.
>    

I don't see why.

> Apart from that, wouldn't your points apply to writeback as well?
>    

They do, but for writeback the host kernel already does all the 
coalescing/merging/blah for us.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-16 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-15  7:22 [PATCH][RF C/T/D] Unmapped page cache control - via boot parameter Balbir Singh
2010-03-15  7:48 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15  8:07   ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-15  8:27     ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15  9:17       ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-15  9:27         ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15 10:45           ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-15 18:48           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16  9:05             ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-19  7:23               ` Dave Hansen
2010-03-15 20:23       ` Chris Webb
2010-03-15 23:43         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16  0:43           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-16  1:27             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16  8:19               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 15:14           ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 15:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-17 16:27               ` Chris Webb
2010-03-22 21:04                 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-22 21:07                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-22 21:10                     ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 16:27               ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 17:05             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 19:11               ` Chris Webb
2010-03-16  3:16         ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-16  9:17         ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16  9:54           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-03-16 10:16             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-03-16 10:26           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-16 10:36             ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 10:44               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-16 11:08                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 14:27                   ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-16 15:59                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17  8:49                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17  9:10                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 15:24           ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 16:22             ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:40               ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:47                 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 16:53                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:58                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 17:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:57                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 17:06                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:52               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 17:02                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15 15:46 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-03-16  3:21   ` Balbir Singh

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