From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Chris Webb <chris@arachsys.com>,
balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
KVM development list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RF C/T/D] Unmapped page cache control - via boot parameter
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:36:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B9F5F2F.8020501@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100316102637.GA23584@lst.de>
On 03/16/2010 12:26 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> Avi,
>
> cache=writeback can be faster than cache=none for the same reasons
> a disk cache speeds up access. As long as the I/O mix contains more
> asynchronous then synchronous writes it allows the host to do much
> more reordering, only limited by the cache size (which can be quite
> huge when using the host pagecache) and the amount of cache flushes
> coming from the host. If you have a fsync heavy workload or metadata
> operation with a filesystem like the current XFS you will get lots
> of cache flushes that make the use of the additional cache limits.
>
Are you talking about direct volume access or qcow2?
For direct volume access, I still don't get it. The number of barriers
issues by the host must equal (or exceed, but that's pointless) the
number of barriers issued by the guest. cache=writeback allows the host
to reorder writes, but so does cache=none. Where does the difference
come from?
Put it another way. In an unvirtualized environment, if you implement a
write cache in a storage driver (not device), and sync it on a barrier
request, would you expect to see a performance improvement?
> If you don't have a of lot of cache flushes, e.g. due to dumb
> applications that do not issue fsync, or even run ext3 in it's default
> mode never issues cache flushes the benefit will be enormous, but the
> data loss and possible corruption will be enormous.
>
Shouldn't the host never issue cache flushes in this case? (for direct
volume access; qcow2 still needs flushes for metadata integrity).
> But even for something like btrfs that does provide data integrity
> but issues cache flushes fairly effeciently data=writeback may
> provide a quite nice speedup, especially if using multiple guest
> accessing the same spindle(s).
>
> But I wouldn't be surprised if IBM's exteme differences are indeed due
> to the extremly unsafe ext3 default behaviour.
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-03-16 10:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-15 7:22 [PATCH][RF C/T/D] Unmapped page cache control - via boot parameter Balbir Singh
2010-03-15 7:48 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15 8:07 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-15 8:27 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15 9:17 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-15 9:27 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15 10:45 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-15 18:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16 9:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-19 7:23 ` Dave Hansen
2010-03-15 20:23 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-15 23:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16 0:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-16 1:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-16 8:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 15:14 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 15:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-17 16:27 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-22 21:04 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-22 21:07 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-22 21:10 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 16:27 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 17:05 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 19:11 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-16 3:16 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-16 9:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 9:54 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-03-16 10:16 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 10:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-16 10:36 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-03-16 10:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-16 11:08 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-16 14:27 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-16 15:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 8:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 9:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 15:24 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 16:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:40 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:47 ` Chris Webb
2010-03-17 16:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 17:03 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 17:06 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-17 16:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-03-17 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-15 15:46 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-03-16 3:21 ` Balbir Singh
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