From: Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@novell.com,
Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:35:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BCEAAC6.7070602@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BCE7DD1.70900@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
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Christian Ehrhardt wrote:
>
>
> Rik van Riel wrote:
>> On 04/20/2010 11:32 AM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
>>
>>> The idea is that it pans out on its own. If the workload changes, new
>>> pages get activated and when that set grows too large, we start
>>> shrinking
>>> it again.
>>>
>>> Of course, right now this unscanned set is way too large and we can end
>>> up wasting up to 50% of usable page cache on false active pages.
>>
>> Thing is, changing workloads often change back.
>>
>> Specifically, think of a desktop system that is doing
>> work for the user during the day and gets backed up
>> at night.
>>
>> You do not want the backup to kick the working set
>> out of memory, because when the user returns in the
>> morning the desktop should come back quickly after
>> the screensaver is unlocked.
>
> IMHO it is fine to prevent that nightly backup job from not being
> finished when the user arrives at morning because we didn't give him
> some more cache - and e.g. a 30 sec transition from/to both optimized
> states is fine.
> But eventually I guess the point is that both behaviors are reasonable
> to achieve - depending on the users needs.
>
> What we could do is combine all our thoughts we had so far:
> a) Rik could create an experimental patch that excludes the in flight pages
> b) Johannes could create one for his suggestion to "always scan active
> file pages but only deactivate them when the ratio is off and otherwise
> strip buffers of clean pages"
> c) I would extend the patch from Johannes setting the ratio of
> active/inactive pages to be a userspace tunable
A first revision of patch c is attached.
I tested assigning different percentages, so far e.g. 50 really behave
like before and 25 protects ~42M Buffers in my example which would match
the intended behavior - see patch for more details.
Checkpatch and some basic function tests went fine.
While it may be not perfect yet, I think it is ready for feedback now.
> a,b,a+b would then need to be tested if they achieve a better behavior.
>
> c on the other hand would be a fine tunable to let administrators
> (knowing their workloads) or distributions (e.g. different values for
> Desktop/Server defaults) adapt their installations.
>
> In theory a,b and c should work fine together in case we need all of them.
>
>> The big question is, what workload suffers from
>> having the inactive list at 50% of the page cache?
>>
>> So far the only big problem we have seen is on a
>> very unbalanced virtual machine, with 256MB RAM
>> and 4 fast disks. The disks simply have more IO
>> in flight at once than what fits in the inactive
>> list.
>
> Did I get you right that this means the write case - explaining why it
> is building up buffers to the 50% max?
>
Thinking about it I wondered for what these Buffers are protected.
If the intention to save these buffers is for reuse with similar loads I
wonder why I "need" three iozones to build up the 85M in my case.
Buffers start at ~0, after iozone run 1 they are at ~35, then after #2
~65 and after run #3 ~85.
Shouldn't that either allocate 85M for the first directly in case that
much is needed for a single run - or if not the second and third run
just "resuse" the 35M Buffers from the first run still held?
Note - "1 iozone run" means "iozone ... -i 0" which sequentially writes
and then rewrites a 2Gb file on 16 disks in my current case.
looking forward especially to patch b as I'd really like to see a kernel
able to win back these buffers if they are no more used for a longer
period while still allowing to grow&protect them while needed.
--
GrA 1/4 sse / regards, Christian Ehrhardt
IBM Linux Technology Center, System z Linux Performance
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Subject: [PATCH] mm: make working set portion that is protected tunable
From: Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
In discussion with Rik van Riel and Joannes Weiner we came up that there are
cases that want the current "save 50%" for the working set all the time and
others that would benefit from protectig only a smaller amount.
Eventually no "carved in stone" in kernel ratio will match all use cases,
therefore this patch makes the value tunable via a /proc/sys/vm/ interface
named active_inactive_ratio.
Example configurations might be:
- 50% - like the current kernel
- 0% - like a kernel pre "56e49d21 vmscan: evict use-once pages first"
- x% - any other percentage to allow customizing the system to its needs.
Due to our experiments the suggested default in this patch is 25%, but if
preferred I'm fine keeping 50% and letting admins/distros adapt as needed.
Signed-off-by: Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
---
[diffstat]
[diff]
Index: linux-2.6/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt 2010-04-21 06:32:23.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt 2010-04-21 07:24:35.000000000 +0200
@@ -18,6 +18,7 @@
Currently, these files are in /proc/sys/vm:
+- active_inactive_ratio
- block_dump
- dirty_background_bytes
- dirty_background_ratio
@@ -57,6 +58,15 @@
==============================================================
+active_inactive_ratio
+
+The kernel tries to protect the active working set. Therefore a portion of the
+file pages is protected, meaning they are omitted when eviting pages until this
+ratio is reached.
+This tunable represents that ratio in percent and specifies the protected part
+
+==============================================================
+
block_dump
block_dump enables block I/O debugging when set to a nonzero value. More
Index: linux-2.6/kernel/sysctl.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/kernel/sysctl.c 2010-04-21 06:33:43.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6/kernel/sysctl.c 2010-04-21 07:26:35.000000000 +0200
@@ -1271,6 +1271,15 @@
.extra2 = &one,
},
#endif
+ {
+ .procname = "active_inactive_ratio",
+ .data = &sysctl_active_inactive_ratio,
+ .maxlen = sizeof(sysctl_active_inactive_ratio),
+ .mode = 0644,
+ .proc_handler = proc_dointvec_minmax,
+ .extra1 = &zero,
+ .extra2 = &one_hundred,
+ },
/*
* NOTE: do not add new entries to this table unless you have read
Index: linux-2.6/mm/memcontrol.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/memcontrol.c 2010-04-21 06:31:29.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6/mm/memcontrol.c 2010-04-21 09:00:22.000000000 +0200
@@ -893,12 +893,12 @@
int mem_cgroup_inactive_file_is_low(struct mem_cgroup *memcg)
{
unsigned long active;
- unsigned long inactive;
+ unsigned long file;
- inactive = mem_cgroup_get_local_zonestat(memcg, LRU_INACTIVE_FILE);
active = mem_cgroup_get_local_zonestat(memcg, LRU_ACTIVE_FILE);
+ file = active + mem_cgroup_get_local_zonestat(memcg, LRU_INACTIVE_FILE);
- return (active > inactive);
+ return (active > file * sysctl_active_inactive_ratio / 100);
}
unsigned long mem_cgroup_zone_nr_pages(struct mem_cgroup *memcg,
Index: linux-2.6/mm/vmscan.c
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/mm/vmscan.c 2010-04-21 06:31:29.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6/mm/vmscan.c 2010-04-21 09:00:13.000000000 +0200
@@ -1459,14 +1459,23 @@
return low;
}
+/*
+ * sysctl_active_inactive_ratio
+ *
+ * Defines the portion of file pages within the active working set is going to
+ * be protected. The value represents the percentage that will be protected.
+ */
+int sysctl_active_inactive_ratio __read_mostly = 25;
+
static int inactive_file_is_low_global(struct zone *zone)
{
- unsigned long active, inactive;
+ unsigned long active, file;
active = zone_page_state(zone, NR_ACTIVE_FILE);
- inactive = zone_page_state(zone, NR_INACTIVE_FILE);
+ file = active + zone_page_state(zone, NR_INACTIVE_FILE);
+
+ return (active > file * sysctl_active_inactive_ratio / 100);
- return (active > inactive);
}
/**
Index: linux-2.6/include/linux/mm.h
===================================================================
--- linux-2.6.orig/include/linux/mm.h 2010-04-21 09:02:37.000000000 +0200
+++ linux-2.6/include/linux/mm.h 2010-04-21 09:02:51.000000000 +0200
@@ -1467,5 +1467,7 @@
extern void dump_page(struct page *page);
+extern int sysctl_active_inactive_ratio;
+
#endif /* __KERNEL__ */
#endif /* _LINUX_MM_H */
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-08 11:48 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] page-allocator: Under memory pressure, wait on pressure to relieve instead of congestion Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 13:35 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 14:17 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 15:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 15:42 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 18:22 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-10 2:38 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 17:35 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-10 2:35 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 15:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 15:56 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 16:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 17:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 17:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 17:30 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 2/3] page-allocator: Check zone pressure when batch of pages are freed Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 9:53 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:08 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:23 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:36 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 11:11 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 11:29 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Put kswapd to sleep on its own waitqueue, not congestion Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:00 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:21 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:32 ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-11 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Andrew Morton
2010-03-12 6:39 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12 7:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-12 10:47 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-12 12:15 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12 14:37 ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-15 12:29 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 14:45 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 12:34 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 20:09 ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-16 10:11 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-18 17:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-22 23:50 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-23 14:35 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-23 21:35 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-24 11:48 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 12:56 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-23 22:29 ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-24 14:50 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-19 12:22 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-19 21:44 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-20 7:20 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20 8:54 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20 15:32 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-20 17:22 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-21 4:23 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21 7:35 ` Christian Ehrhardt [this message]
2010-04-21 13:19 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-22 6:21 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 10:59 ` Subject: [PATCH][RFC] mm: make working set portion that is protected tunable v2 Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 11:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-26 12:43 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 14:20 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-27 14:00 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21 9:03 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Johannes Weiner
2010-04-21 13:20 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-20 14:40 ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-24 2:38 ` Greg KH
2010-03-24 11:49 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 13:13 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-03-12 9:09 ` Mel Gorman
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