From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: Take all anon_vma locks in anon_vma_lock
Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 14:38:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BDF1840.7020601@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005031111170.5478@i5.linux-foundation.org>
On 05/03/2010 02:19 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 2010, Rik van Riel wrote:
>>
>> One problem is that we cannot find the VMAs (multiple) from
>> the page, except by walking the anon_vma_chain.same_anon_vma
>> list. At the very least, that list requires locking, done
>> by the anon_vma.lock.
>
> But that's exactly what we do in rmap_walk() anyway.
Mel's original patch adds trylock & retry all code to rmap_walk
and a few other places:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/4/26/321
I submitted my patch 1/2 as an alternative, because these repeated
trylocks are pretty complex and easy to accidentally break when
changes to other VM code are made.
>> A forkbomb could definately end up getting slowed down by
>> this patch. Is there any real workload out there that just
>> forks deeper and deeper from the parent process, without
>> calling exec() after a generation or two?
>
> Heh. AIM7. Wasn't that why we merged the multiple anon_vma's in the first
> place?
AIM7, like sendmail, apache or postgresql, is only 2 deep.
>>> So again, my gut feel is that if the lock just were in the vma itself,
>>> then the "normal" users would have just one natural lock, while the
>>> special case users (rmap_walk_anon) would have to lock each vma it
>>> traverses. That would seem to be the more natural way to lock things.
>>
>> However ... there's still the issue of page_lock_anon_vma
>> in try_to_unmap_anon.
>
> Do we care?
>
> We've not locked them all there, and we've historically not cares about
> the rmap list being "perfect", have we?
Well, try_to_unmap_anon walks just one page, and has the anon_vma
for that page locked.
Having said that, for pageout we do indeed not care about getting
it perfect.
> So I _think_ it's just the migration case (and apparently potentially the
> hugepage case) that wants _exact_ information. Which is why I suggest the
> onus of the extra locking should be on _them_, not on the regular code.
It's a matter of cost vs complexity. IMHO the locking changes in
the lowest overhead patches (Mel's) are quite complex and could end
up being hard to maintain in the future. I wanted to introduce
something a little simpler, with hopefully minimal overhead.
But hey, that's just my opinion - what matters is that the bug gets
fixed somehow. If you prefer the more complex but slightly lower
overhead patches from Mel, that's fine too.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-03 18:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-03 16:17 [PATCH 0/2] Fix migration races in rmap_walk() V4 Rik van Riel
2010-05-03 16:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: Take all anon_vma locks in anon_vma_lock Rik van Riel
2010-05-03 16:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-03 16:53 ` Rik van Riel
2010-05-03 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-03 17:58 ` Rik van Riel
2010-05-03 18:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-03 18:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-03 18:38 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2010-05-04 13:12 ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-03 16:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-03 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-03 17:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-03 17:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-03 16:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: fix race between shift_arg_pages and rmap_walk Rik van Riel
2010-05-03 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-03 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
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2010-04-29 8:32 [PATCH 0/2] Fix migration races in rmap_walk() V3 Mel Gorman
2010-04-29 8:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: Take all anon_vma locks in anon_vma_lock Mel Gorman
2010-05-02 17:28 ` Minchan Kim
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