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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc patch 4/6] memcg: reclaim statistics
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:55:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DD27E62.50806@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110517074230.GY16531@cmpxchg.org>

On 05/17/2011 03:42 AM, Johannes Weiner wrote:

> It does hierarchical soft limit reclaim once triggered, but I meant
> that soft limits themselves have no hierarchical meaning.  Say you
> have the following hierarchy:
>
>                  root_mem_cgroup
>
>               aaa               bbb
>
>             a1  a2             b1  b2
>
>          a1-1
>
> Consider aaa and a1 had a soft limit.  If global memory arose, aaa and
> all its children would be pushed back with the current scheme, the one
> you are proposing, and the one I am proposing.
>
> But now consider aaa hitting its hard limit.  Regular target reclaim
> will be triggered, and a1, a2, and a1-1 will be scanned equally from
> hierarchical reclaim.  That a1 is in excess of its soft limit is not
> considered at all.
>
> With what I am proposing, a1 and a1-1 would be pushed back more
> aggressively than a2, because a1 is in excess of its soft limit and
> a1-1 is contributing to that.

Ying, I think Johannes has a good point.  I do not see
a way to enforce the limits properly with the scheme we
came up with at LSF, in the hierarchical scenario above.

There may be a way, but until we think of it, I suspect
it will be better to go with Johannes's scheme for now.

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-17 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-12 14:53 [rfc patch 0/6] mm: memcg naturalization Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 14:53 ` [rfc patch 1/6] memcg: remove unused retry signal from reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 15:02   ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-12 17:22     ` Ying Han
2011-05-12 23:44   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-13  9:23   ` Michal Hocko
2011-05-12 14:53 ` [rfc patch 2/6] vmscan: make distinction between memcg reclaim and LRU list selection Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 15:33   ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-12 16:03     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-17  6:38       ` Ying Han
2011-05-17  8:25         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 23:50   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-13  6:58     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-16 22:36       ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-12 14:53 ` [rfc patch 3/6] mm: memcg-aware global reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 16:04   ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-12 19:19   ` Ying Han
2011-05-13  7:08     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-13  0:04   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-13  7:18     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-13  0:40   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-05-13  6:54     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-13  9:53   ` Michal Hocko
2011-05-13 10:28     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-13 11:02       ` Michal Hocko
2011-05-12 14:53 ` [rfc patch 4/6] memcg: reclaim statistics Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 19:33   ` Ying Han
2011-05-16 23:10     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-17  0:20       ` Ying Han
2011-05-17  7:42         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-17 13:55           ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2011-05-12 14:53 ` [rfc patch 5/6] memcg: remove global LRU list Johannes Weiner
2011-05-13  9:53   ` Michal Hocko
2011-05-13 10:36     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-13 11:01       ` Michal Hocko
2011-05-12 14:53 ` [rfc patch 6/6] memcg: rework soft limit reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 18:41   ` Ying Han
2011-05-12 18:53 ` [rfc patch 0/6] mm: memcg naturalization Ying Han
2011-05-13  7:20   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-17  0:53     ` Ying Han
2011-05-17  8:11       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-17 14:45         ` Ying Han
2011-05-16 10:30 ` Balbir Singh
2011-05-16 10:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-17  6:32     ` Balbir Singh

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