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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Dan Smith <danms@us.ibm.com>,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata.rao@gmail.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 03/26] mm, mpol: add MPOL_MF_LAZY ...
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:27:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FF74A3B.80701@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1341605099.14051.23.camel@zaphod.localdomain>

On 07/06/2012 04:04 PM, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 12:38 -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:

>> 4. Putting a lot of pages in the swap cache ends up allocating
>>      swap space. This means this NUMA migration scheme will only
>>      work on systems that have a substantial amount of memory
>>      represented by swap space. This is highly unlikely on systems
>>      with memory in the TB range. On smaller systems, it could drive
>>      the system out of memory (to the OOM killer), by "filling up"
>>      the overflow swap with migration pages instead.
>> 5. In the long run, we want the ability to migrate transparent
>>      huge pages as one unit.  The reason is simple, the performance
>>      penalty for running on the wrong NUMA node (10-20%) is on the
>>      same order of magnitude as the performance penalty for running
>>      with 4kB pages instead of 2MB pages (5-15%).
>>
>>      Breaking up large pages into small ones, and having khugepaged
>>      reconstitute them on a random NUMA node later on, will negate
>>      the performance benefits of both NUMA placement and THP.

> When I originally posted the "migrate on fault" series, I posted a
> separate series with a "migration cache" to avoid the use of swap space
> for lazy migration: http://markmail.org/message/xgvvrnn2nk4nsn2e.
>
> The migration cache was originally implemented by Marcello Tosatti for
> the old memory hotplug project:
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=109779128211239&w=4.
>
> The idea is that you don't need swap space for lazy migration, just an
> "address_space" where you can park an anon VMA's pte's while they're
> "unmapped" to cause migration faults.  Based on a suggestion from
> Christoph Lameter, I had tried to hide the migration cache behind the
> swap cache interface to minimize changes mainly in do_swap_page and
> vmscan/reclaim.  It seemed to work, but the difference in reference
> count semantics for the mig cache -- entry removed when last pte
> migrated/mapped -- makes coordination with exit teardown, uh, tricky.

That fixes one of the two problems, but using _PTE_NUMA
or _PAGE_PROTNONE looks like it would be both easier,
and solve both.

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-06 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-16 14:40 [RFC][PATCH 00/26] sched/numa Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/26] mm, mpol: Re-implement check_*_range() using walk_page_range() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/26] mm, mpol: Remove NUMA_INTERLEAVE_HIT Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 10:32   ` Johannes Weiner
2012-07-06 14:48     ` Minchan Kim
2012-07-06 15:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 14:54   ` Kyungmin Park
2012-07-06 15:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/26] mm, mpol: add MPOL_MF_LAZY Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-23 11:50   ` Mel Gorman
2012-07-06 16:38     ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-06 20:04       ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-07-06 20:27         ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2012-07-09 11:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/26] mm, mpol: add MPOL_MF_NOOP Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 18:40   ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/26] mm, mpol: Check for misplaced page Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/26] mm: Migrate " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-03 17:32   ` Dan Smith
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/26] mm: Handle misplaced anon pages Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/26] mm, mpol: Simplify do_mbind() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/26] sched, mm: Introduce tsk_home_node() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/26] mm, mpol: Make mempolicy home-node aware Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 18:34   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-16 21:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:53       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 14:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 15:16           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 15:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 15:31               ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 17:09                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 17:28                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:06                   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 20:28                   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-03-19 21:21                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/26] mm, mpol: Lazy migrate a process/vma Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/26] sched, mm: sched_{fork,exec} node assignment Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-15 18:16   ` Tony Luck
2012-06-20 19:12     ` [PATCH] sched: Fix build problems when CONFIG_NUMA=y and CONFIG_SMP=n Luck, Tony
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/26] sched: Implement home-node awareness Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/26] sched, numa: Numa balancer Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-07 18:26   ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:50         ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-08 18:35   ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:54       ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-12 22:02   ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-13 14:45     ` Don Morris
2012-07-14 16:20       ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/26] sched, numa: Implement hotplug hooks Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:16   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-19 12:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:27       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/26] sched, numa: Abstract the numa_entity Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/26] srcu: revert1 Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 18/26] srcu: revert2 Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 19/26] srcu: Implement call_srcu() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 20/26] mm, mpol: Introduce vma_dup_policy() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 21/26] mm, mpol: Introduce vma_put_policy() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 22/26] mm, mpol: Split and explose some mempolicy functions Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 23/26] sched, numa: Introduce sys_numa_{t,m}bind() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 24/26] mm, mpol: Implement numa_group RSS accounting Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 25/26] sched, numa: Only migrate long-running entities Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-08 18:34   ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:53       ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 14:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 26/26] sched, numa: A few debug bits Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 18:25 ` [RFC] AutoNUMA alpha6 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 18:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-20 23:41   ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21  1:00     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21  2:12     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21  4:01       ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 12:49         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 22:05           ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 22:52             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 23:13               ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 23:41                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22  0:17               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22 13:58                 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-22 14:27                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22 18:49                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22 18:56                       ` Dan Smith
2012-03-22 19:11                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-23 14:15                         ` Andrew Theurer
2012-03-23 16:01                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-25 13:30                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21  7:12       ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-21 12:08         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21  7:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-21 12:17       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19  9:57 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/26] sched/numa Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 11:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 11:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 11:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 11:42     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 11:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:07         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 12:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:16         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 20:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 10:18             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-20 10:48               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 10:52                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-20 11:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 11:48                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 12:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:24         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 15:44           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 13:40       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 20:06         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:04     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 13:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:57         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 14:06           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 14:30             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 18:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 22:18                 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-21 16:50                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-04-02 16:34                   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-04-02 16:55                     ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-02 16:54                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-04-02 17:12                         ` Pekka Enberg
2012-04-02 17:23                           ` Pekka Enberg
2012-03-19 14:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:34             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 18:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:13           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:07         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 19:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:16         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 13:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:19         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 13:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:20         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 20:17           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 20:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-19 20:43               ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 21:34                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-20  0:05               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-20  7:31                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-21 22:53 ` Nish Aravamudan
2012-03-22  9:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-22 10:34     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-24  1:41     ` Nish Aravamudan
2012-03-26 11:42       ` Peter Zijlstra

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