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From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	devel@openvz.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 14/14] Add documentation about the kmem controller
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:02:46 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <507DAF56.9010403@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0000013a6ad26c73-d043cf97-c44a-45c1-9cae-0a962e93a005-000000@email.amazonses.com>

On 10/16/2012 10:25 PM, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Glauber Costa wrote:
> 
>>
>> + memory.kmem.limit_in_bytes      # set/show hard limit for kernel memory
>> + memory.kmem.usage_in_bytes      # show current kernel memory allocation
>> + memory.kmem.failcnt             # show the number of kernel memory usage hits limits
>> + memory.kmem.max_usage_in_bytes  # show max kernel memory usage recorded
> 
> Does it actually make sense to limit kernel memory? 

Yes.

> The user generally has
> no idea how much kernel memory a process is using and kernel changes can
> change the memory footprint. Given the fuzzy accounting in the kernel a
> large cache refill (if someone configures the slab batch count to be
> really big f.e.) can account a lot of memory to the wrong cgroup. The
> allocation could fail.
> 

It heavily depends on the type of the user. The user may not know how
much kernel memory precisely will be used, but he/she usually knows
quite well that it shouldn't be all cgroups together shouldn't use more
than available in the system.

IOW: It is usually safe to overcommit user memory, but not kernel
memory. This is absolutely crucial in any high-density container host,
and we've been doing this in OpenVZ for ages (in an uglier form than this)

> Limiting the total memory use of a process (U+K) would make more sense I
> guess. Only U is probably sufficient? In what way would a limitation on
> kernel memory in use be good?
> 

The kmem counter is also fed into the u counter. If the limit value of
"u" is equal or greater than "k", this is actually what you are doing.

For a lot of application yes, only U is sufficient. This is the default,
btw, since "k" is only even accounted if you set the limit.

All those use cases are detailed a bit below in this file.

A limitation of kernel memory use would be good, for example, to prevent
abuse from non-trusted containers in a high density, shared, container
environment.



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-16 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-16 10:16 [PATCH v5 00/14] kmem controller for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:11   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 16:54     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 21:46   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 21:50   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] kmem accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 12:14   ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-17 22:08   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18 17:01     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 19:47       ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-18 19:37     ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 17:03     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] Add a __GFP_KMEMCG flag Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 12:15   ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-17 22:09   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-10-17  6:40   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:16     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 22:06       ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19  9:10         ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19  9:31           ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 10:00             ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:37   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18  9:23     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 21:59       ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 10:08         ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 20:34           ` David Rientjes
2012-10-22 12:34             ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-22 12:51               ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-22 12:52                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 15:31   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 18:55     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:24     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 20:44       ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 11:53     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:43   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] res_counter: return amount of charges after res_counter_uncharge Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 23:23   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] memcg: kmem accounting lifecycle management Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 23:28   ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18  6:14     ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-18  9:42     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] memcg: use static branches when code not in use Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] memcg: allow a memcg with kmem charges to be destructed Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:33     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] execute the whole memcg freeing in free_worker Glauber Costa
2012-10-17  6:56   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] protect architectures where THREAD_SIZE >= PAGE_SIZE against fork bombs Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:37     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] Add documentation about the kmem controller Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 12:23   ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 18:25   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 18:55     ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-10-16 19:02     ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2012-10-16 19:30       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-17 22:12   ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18  9:38     ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:11 ` [PATCH v5 00/14] kmem controller for memcg Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 16:51   ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 19:21     ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-19  9:55       ` Glauber Costa

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