From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] mm/gup: remove (VM_)BUG_ONs
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 11:19:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <50ff9149-2824-4e57-8d74-d8d0c063c87e@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEK_R93gihEn-xW6@tiehlicka>
On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 12:13:27PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 06-06-25 11:01:18, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 06.06.25 10:31, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [...]
> > > Turning them into VM_WARN_ON
> > > should be reasonably safe as they are not enabled in production
> > > environment anyway so we cannot really rely on those. Having them in
> > > WARN form would be still useful for debugging and those that really need
> > > a crash dump while debugging can achieve the same result.
> >
> > One question is if we should be VM_WARN_ON vs. VM_WARN_ON_ONCE ...
>
> *WARN_ONCE ha a very limited use from code paths which are generally
> shared by many callers. You just see one and then nothing. Some time ago
> we have discussed an option to have _ONCE per call trace but I haven't
> see any follow up.
>
> Anyway starting without _ONCE seems like safer option because we are not
> losing potentially useful debugging information. Afterall this is
> debugging only thing. But no strong position on my side.
>
> > VM_BUG_ON is essentially a "once" thing so far, but then, we don't continue
> > ... so probably most should be _ONCE.
> >
> > >
> > > So while I agree that many of them could be dropped or made more clear
> > > those could be dealt with after a mass move. An advantage of this would
> > > be that we can drop VM_BUG_ON* and stop new instances from being added.
> >
> > As a first step we could probably just #define them to go to the
> > VM_WARN_ON_* variants and see what happens.
>
> You meand VM_BUG_ON expand to VM_WARN_ON by default?
Sorry to interject in the conversation, but to boldly throw my two English pence
into the mix:
As the "king of churn" (TM) you'll not be surprised to hear that I'm in favour
of us just doing a big patch and convert all VM_BUG_ON() -> VM_WARN_ON_ONCE()
and remove VM_BUG_ON*().
Pull the band-aid off... I think better than a #define if this indeed what you
meant David.
But of course, you'd expect me to have this opinion ;)
>
> --
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
Cheers, Lorenzo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-06 10:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-04 14:05 [PATCH v1] mm/gup: remove (VM_)BUG_ONs David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 14:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-04 14:26 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-06-04 14:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 14:58 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 15:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-06-04 16:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 15:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-04 16:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04 17:25 ` SeongJae Park
2025-06-04 19:12 ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-06-04 19:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05 1:07 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-05 5:37 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05 6:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05 8:48 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-05 12:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-05 7:10 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 8:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 8:31 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 9:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 10:13 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-06-06 10:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 11:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 11:56 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 12:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 12:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 17:57 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:21 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:31 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:36 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 18:39 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-06 18:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 18:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-06 18:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 19:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 13:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-07 13:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-07 18:00 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-09 9:57 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:54 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 17:27 ` John Hubbard
2025-06-11 9:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-11 12:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11 12:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-06 10:28 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-06 10:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-06 8:12 ` David Hildenbrand
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