From: Simon Jeons <simon.jeons@gmail.com>
To: Shachar Raindel <raindel@mellanox.com>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Roland Dreier <roland@purestorage.com>,
Haggai Eran <haggaie@mellanox.com>,
Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
Sagi Grimberg <sagig@mellanox.com>,
Liran Liss <liranl@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] Hardware initiated paging of user process pages, hardware access to the CPU page tables of user processes
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 16:17:55 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5163CEB3.80707@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5114DF05.7070702@mellanox.com>
Hi Simon,
On 02/08/2013 07:18 PM, Shachar Raindel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We would like to present a reference implementation for safely sharing
> memory pages from user space with the hardware, without pinning.
>
> We will be happy to hear the community feedback on our prototype
> implementation, and suggestions for future improvements.
>
> We would also like to discuss adding features to the core MM subsystem
> to assist hardware access to user memory without pinning.
>
> Following is a longer motivation and explanation on the technology
> presented:
>
> Many application developers would like to be able to be able to
> communicate directly with the hardware from the userspace.
>
> Use cases for that includes high performance networking API such as
> InfiniBand, RoCE and iWarp and interfacing with GPUs.
>
> Currently, if the user space application wants to share system memory
> with the hardware device, the kernel component must pin the memory
> pages in RAM, using get_user_pages.
>
> This is a hurdle, as it usually makes large portions the application
> memory unmovable. This pinning also makes the user space development
> model very complicated ? one needs to register memory before using it
> for communication with the hardware.
>
> We use the mmu-notifiers [1] mechanism to inform the hardware when the
> mapping of a page is changed. If the hardware tries to access a page
> which is not yet mapped for the hardware, it requests a resolution for
> the page address from the kernel.
mmu_notifiers is used for host notice guest a page changed, is it? Why
you said that it is used for informing the hardware when the mapping of
a page is changed?
>
> This mechanism allows the hardware to access the entire address space
> of the user application, without pinning even a single page.
>
> We would like to use the LSF/MM forum opportunity to discuss open
> issues we have for further development, such as:
>
> -Allowing the hardware to perform page table walk, similar to
> get_user_pages_fast to resolve user pages that are already in RAM.
>
> -Batching page eviction by various kernel subsystems (swapper,
> page-cache) to reduce the amount of communication needed with the
> hardware in such events
>
> -Hinting from the hardware to the MM regarding page fetches which are
> speculative, similarly to prefetching done by the page-cache
>
> -Page-in notifications from the kernel to the driver, such that we can
> keep our secondary TLB in sync with the kernel page table without
> incurring page faults.
>
> -Allowed and banned actions while in an MMU notifier callback. We have
> already done some work on making the MMU notifiers sleepable [2], but
> there might be additional limitations, which we would like to discuss.
>
> -Hinting from the MMU notifiers as for the reason for the notification
> - for example we would like to react differently if a page was moved
> by NUMA migration vs. page being swapped out.
>
> [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/266320/
>
> [2] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.mm/85002
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Shachar
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-09 8:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-08 11:18 [LSF/MM TOPIC] Hardware initiated paging of user process pages, hardware access to the CPU page tables of user processes Shachar Raindel
2013-02-08 15:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-16 7:03 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-16 16:27 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-16 23:50 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-17 14:01 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-17 23:48 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-18 1:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-02-09 6:05 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-02-09 16:29 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-09 8:28 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-09 14:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-10 1:41 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-10 20:45 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-11 3:42 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-11 18:38 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-12 1:54 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-12 2:11 ` [Lsf-pc] " Rik van Riel
2013-04-12 2:57 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-12 5:44 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-12 13:32 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-10 1:57 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-10 20:55 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-11 3:37 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-11 18:48 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-12 3:13 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-12 3:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-15 8:39 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-15 15:38 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-16 4:20 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-16 16:19 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-02-10 7:54 ` Shachar Raindel
2013-04-09 8:17 ` Simon Jeons [this message]
2013-04-10 1:48 ` Simon Jeons
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