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From: Simon Jeons <simon.jeons@gmail.com>
To: Shachar Raindel <raindel@mellanox.com>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@purestorage.com>,
	Haggai Eran <haggaie@mellanox.com>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagig@mellanox.com>,
	Liran Liss <liranl@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] Hardware initiated paging of user process pages, hardware access to the CPU page tables of user processes
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 16:17:55 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5163CEB3.80707@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5114DF05.7070702@mellanox.com>

Hi Simon,
On 02/08/2013 07:18 PM, Shachar Raindel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We would like to present a reference implementation for safely sharing 
> memory pages from user space with the hardware, without pinning.
>
> We will be happy to hear the community feedback on our prototype 
> implementation, and suggestions for future improvements.
>
> We would also like to discuss adding features to the core MM subsystem 
> to assist hardware access to user memory without pinning.
>
> Following is a longer motivation and explanation on the technology 
> presented:
>
> Many application developers would like to be able to be able to 
> communicate directly with the hardware from the userspace.
>
> Use cases for that includes high performance networking API such as 
> InfiniBand, RoCE and iWarp and interfacing with GPUs.
>
> Currently, if the user space application wants to share system memory 
> with the hardware device, the kernel component must pin the memory 
> pages in RAM, using get_user_pages.
>
> This is a hurdle, as it usually makes large portions the application 
> memory unmovable. This pinning also makes the user space development 
> model very complicated ? one needs to register memory before using it 
> for communication with the hardware.
>
> We use the mmu-notifiers [1] mechanism to inform the hardware when the 
> mapping of a page is changed. If the hardware tries to access a page 
> which is not yet mapped for the hardware, it requests a resolution for 
> the page address from the kernel.

mmu_notifiers is used for host notice guest a page changed, is it? Why 
you said that it is used for informing the hardware when the mapping of 
a page is changed?

>
> This mechanism allows the hardware to access the entire address space 
> of the user application, without pinning even a single page.
>
> We would like to use the LSF/MM forum opportunity to discuss open 
> issues we have for further development, such as:
>
> -Allowing the hardware to perform page table walk, similar to 
> get_user_pages_fast to resolve user pages that are already in RAM.
>
> -Batching page eviction by various kernel subsystems (swapper, 
> page-cache) to reduce the amount of communication needed with the 
> hardware in such events
>
> -Hinting from the hardware to the MM regarding page fetches which are 
> speculative, similarly to prefetching done by the page-cache
>
> -Page-in notifications from the kernel to the driver, such that we can 
> keep our secondary TLB in sync with the kernel page table without 
> incurring page faults.
>
> -Allowed and banned actions while in an MMU notifier callback. We have 
> already done some work on making the MMU notifiers sleepable [2], but 
> there might be additional limitations, which we would like to discuss.
>
> -Hinting from the MMU notifiers as for the reason for the notification 
> - for example we would like to react differently if a page was moved 
> by NUMA migration vs. page being swapped out.
>
> [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/266320/
>
> [2] http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.mm/85002
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Shachar
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-09  8:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-08 11:18 [LSF/MM TOPIC] Hardware initiated paging of user process pages, hardware access to the CPU page tables of user processes Shachar Raindel
2013-02-08 15:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-16  7:03   ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-16 16:27     ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-16 23:50       ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-17 14:01         ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-17 23:48           ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-18  1:02             ` Jerome Glisse
2013-02-09  6:05 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-02-09 16:29   ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-09  8:28     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-09 14:21       ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-10  1:41         ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-10 20:45           ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-11  3:42             ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-11 18:38               ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-12  1:54                 ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-12  2:11                   ` [Lsf-pc] " Rik van Riel
2013-04-12  2:57                   ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-12  5:44                     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-12 13:32                       ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-10  1:57     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-10 20:55       ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-11  3:37         ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-11 18:48           ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-12  3:13             ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-12  3:21               ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-15  8:39     ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-15 15:38       ` Jerome Glisse
2013-04-16  4:20         ` Simon Jeons
2013-04-16 16:19           ` Jerome Glisse
2013-02-10  7:54   ` Shachar Raindel
2013-04-09  8:17 ` Simon Jeons [this message]
2013-04-10  1:48   ` Simon Jeons

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