From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Arun Sharma <asharma@fb.com>,
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KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
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sanjay@google.com, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v7 00/11] Support vrange for anonymous page
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:20:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5166643E.6050704@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130411065546.GA10303@blaptop>
>>> DONTNEED makes sure user always can see zero-fill pages after
>>> he calls madvise while vrange can see data or encounter SIGBUS.
>>
>> For replacing DONTNEED, user want to zero-fill pages like DONTNEED
>> instead of SIGBUS. So, new flag option would be nice.
>
> If userspace people want it, I can do it.
> But not sure they want it at the moment becaue vrange is rather
> different concept of madvise(DONTNEED) POV usage.
>
> As you know well, in case of DONTNEED, user calls madvise _once_ and
> VM releases memory as soon as he called system call.
> But vrange is same with delayed free when the system memory pressure
> happens so user can't know OS frees the pages anytime.
> It means user should call pair of system call both VRANGE_VOLATILE
> and VRANGE_NOVOLATILE for right usage of volatile range
> (for simple, I don't want to tell SIGBUS fault recovery method).
> If he took a mistake(ie, NOT to call VRANGE_NOVOLATILE) on the range
> which is used by current process, pages used by some process could be
> disappeared suddenly.
>
> In summary, I don't think vrange is a replacement of madvise(DONTNEED)
> but could be useful with madvise(DONTNEED) friend. For example, we can
> make return 1 in vrange(VRANGE_VOLATILE) if memory pressure was already
Do you mean vrange(VRANGE_UNVOLATILE)?
btw, assign new error number to asm-generic/errno.h is better than strange '1'.
> severe so user can catch up memory pressure by return value and calls
> madvise(DONTNEED) if memory pressure was already severe. Of course, we
> can handle it vrange system call itself(ex, change vrange system call to
> madvise(DONTNEED) but don't want it because I want to keep vrange hinting
> sytem call very light at all times so user can expect latency.
For allocator usage, vrange(UNVOLATILE) is annoying and don't need at all.
When data has already been purged, just return new zero filled page. so,
maybe adding new flag is worthwhile. Because malloc is definitely fast path
and adding new syscall invokation is unwelcome.
>> # of # of # of
>> thread iter iter (patched glibc)
>
> What's the workload?
Ahh, sorry. I forgot to write. I use ebizzy, your favolite workload.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-11 7:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-12 7:38 [RFC v7 00/11] Support vrange for anonymous page Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 01/11] vrange: enable generic interval tree Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 02/11] add vrange basic data structure and functions Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 03/11] add new system call vrange(2) Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 04/11] add proc/pid/vrange information Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 05/11] Add purge operation Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 06/11] send SIGBUS when user try to access purged page Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 07/11] keep mm_struct to vrange when system call context Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 08/11] add LRU handling for victim vrange Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 09/11] Get rid of depenceny that all pages is from a zone in shrink_page_list Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 10/11] Purging vrange pages without swap Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 7:38 ` [RFC v7 11/11] add purged page information in vmstat Minchan Kim
2013-03-12 23:16 ` [RFC v7 00/11] Support vrange for anonymous page Paul Turner
2013-03-13 6:44 ` Minchan Kim
2013-03-21 1:29 ` John Stultz
2013-03-22 6:01 ` Minchan Kim
2013-03-22 17:06 ` John Stultz
2013-03-25 8:42 ` Minchan Kim
2013-03-27 0:26 ` John Stultz
2013-03-27 8:03 ` Minchan Kim
2013-03-30 0:05 ` John Stultz
2013-04-01 7:57 ` Minchan Kim
2013-03-25 17:16 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2013-03-27 7:18 ` Minchan Kim
2013-04-10 20:22 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-11 6:55 ` Minchan Kim
2013-04-11 7:20 ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2013-04-11 8:02 ` Minchan Kim
2013-04-11 8:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-11 8:31 ` Minchan Kim
2013-04-11 15:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2013-04-14 7:42 ` Minchan Kim
2013-04-16 3:33 ` John Stultz
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