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From: Bob Liu <bob.liu@oracle.com>
To: Seth Jennings <sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Bob Liu <lliubbo@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, ngupta@vflare.org,
	minchan@kernel.org, konrad.wilk@oracle.com,
	dan.magenheimer@oracle.com, rcj@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	mgorman@suse.de, riel@redhat.com, dave@sr71.net,
	hughd@google.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] zswap: add zswap shrinker
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:56:35 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <519D7753.2070801@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130522140815.GA3589@cerebellum>


On 05/22/2013 10:08 PM, Seth Jennings wrote:
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:03:03PM +0800, Bob Liu wrote:
>>
>> On 05/22/2013 02:57 AM, Seth Jennings wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 02:26:07PM +0800, Bob Liu wrote:
>>>> In my understanding, currenlty zswap have a few problems.
>>>> 1. The zswap pool size is 20% of total memory that's too random and once it
>>>> gets full the performance may even worse because everytime pageout() an anon
>>>> page two disk-io write ops may happend instead of one.
>>>
>>> Just to clarify, 20% is a default maximum amount that zswap can occupy.
>>>
>>> Also, in the steady over-the-limit state, the average number of writebacks is
>>> equal to the number of pages coming into zswap.  The description above makes it
>>> sound like there is a reclaim amplification effect (two writebacks per zswap
>>> store) when, on average, there is none. The 2:1 effect only happens on one or
>>> two store operations right after the pool becomes full.
>>
>> I don't think it only happens on one or two store operations.
>>
>> When the system enter a situation or run a workload which have many anon
>> pages, the zswap pool will be full easily and most of the time.
> 
> I think the part missing here is the just because a page is reclaimed on a
> particular store because we are over the zswap limit doesn't necessarily mean
> that page will be reallocated to the pool on the next zbud_alloc().  The
> reclaimed page is only reallocated if there is no unbuddied page in the pool
> with enough free space to hold the requested allocation.
> 
> In the case that the reclaimed page is not reallocated to the pool, we will be
> under the pool limit on the next zswap store and not do reclaim.
> 

That's true, I see your idea here.
But it's probably that there will be no suitable unbuddied pages in the
pool.
Mel gave a very good and detail example about nchunks in thread:
Re: [PATCHv11 2/4] zbud: add to mm/

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Regards,
-Bob

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      reply	other threads:[~2013-05-23  1:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-21  6:26 [RFC PATCH] zswap: add zswap shrinker Bob Liu
2013-05-21 18:57 ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-22  4:03   ` Bob Liu
2013-05-22  6:05     ` Bob Liu
2013-05-22 14:08     ` Seth Jennings
2013-05-23  1:56       ` Bob Liu [this message]

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