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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC] mm: show message when updating min_free_kbytes in thp
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:10:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52C5E3C2.6020205@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1401021357360.21537@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On 01/02/2014 01:58 PM, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Dave Hansen wrote:
> 
>>> min_free_kbytes may be updated during thp's initialization. Sometimes,
>>> this will change the value being set by user. Showing message will
>>> clarify this confusion.
>> ...
>>> -	if (recommended_min > min_free_kbytes)
>>> +	if (recommended_min > min_free_kbytes) {
>>>  		min_free_kbytes = recommended_min;
>>> +		pr_info("min_free_kbytes is updated to %d by enabling transparent hugepage.\n",
>>> +			min_free_kbytes);
>>> +	}
>>
>> "updated" doesn't tell us much.  It's also kinda nasty that if we enable
>> then disable THP, we end up with an elevated min_free_kbytes.  Maybe we
>> should at least put something in that tells the user how to get back
>> where they were if they care:
> 
> The default value of min_free_kbytes depends on the implementation of the 
> VM regardless of any config options that you may have enabled.  We don't 
> specify what the non-thp default is in the kernel log, so why do we need 
> to specify what the thp default is?

Let's say enabling THP made my system behave badly.  How do I get it
back to the state before I enabled THP?  The user has to have gone and
recorded what their min_free_kbytes was before turning THP on in order
to get it back to where it was.  Folks also have to either plan in
advance (archiving *ALL* the sysctl settings), somehow *know* somehow
that THP can affect min_free_kbytes, or just plain be clairvoyant.

This seems like a pretty straightforward way to be transparent about
what the kernel mucked with, and exactly how it did it instead of
requiring clairvoyant sysadmins.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-02 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-01  0:29 [RFC] mm: show message when updating min_free_kbytes in thp Han Pingtian
2014-01-02 18:05 ` Dave Hansen
2014-01-02 21:58   ` David Rientjes
2014-01-02 22:10     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2014-01-02 23:36       ` David Rientjes
2014-01-02 23:48         ` Dave Hansen
2014-01-03  3:33   ` Han Pingtian
2014-01-03 18:17     ` Dave Hansen
2014-01-05  0:35       ` Han Pingtian
2014-01-06 16:46         ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-08  3:59           ` Han Pingtian
2014-01-08  8:20           ` Han Pingtian
2014-01-08 10:16             ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09  7:32               ` Han Pingtian
2014-01-09  9:02                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-09 21:15                 ` David Rientjes
2014-01-10  8:05                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-10  8:13                     ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-10  8:17                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-01-11  3:27                         ` Han Pingtian
2014-01-14 20:07                         ` Han Pingtian
2014-01-14 23:52                           ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-15  0:25                             ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15  0:35                               ` Andrew Morton
2014-01-15  0:52                                 ` David Rientjes
2014-01-15 15:22                                 ` Mel Gorman

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