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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	Mike Marciniszyn <infinipath@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/5] VM_PINNED
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 13:50:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53847C17.2080609@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALYGNiNCp5ShyKLAQi_cht_-sPt79Zxzj=Q=VSzqCvdnsCE5ag@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/27/2014 01:11 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:29:09PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:49:08AM +0400, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote:
>>>> Another suggestion. VM_RESERVED is stronger than VM_LOCKED and extends
>>>> its functionality.
>>>> Maybe it's easier to add VM_DONTMIGRATE and use it together with VM_LOCKED.
>>>> This will make accounting easier. No?
>>>
>>> I prefer the PINNED name because the not being able to migrate is only
>>> one of the desired effects of it, not the primary effect. We're really
>>> looking to keep physical pages in place and preserve mappings.
> 
> Ah, I just mixed it up.
> 
>>>
>>> The -rt people for example really want to avoid faults (even minor
>>> faults), and DONTMIGRATE would still allow unmapping.
>>>
>>> Maybe always setting VM_PINNED and VM_LOCKED together is easier, I
>>> hadn't considered that. The first thing that came to mind is that that
>>> might make the fork() semantics difficult, but maybe it works out.
>>>
>>> And while we're on the subject, my patch preserves PINNED over fork()
>>> but maybe we don't actually need that either.
>>
>> So pinned_vm is userspace exposed, which means we have to maintain the
>> individual counts, and doing the fully orthogonal accounting is 'easier'
>> than trying to get the boundary cases right.
>>
>> That is, if we have a program that does mlockall() and then does the IB
>> ioctl() to 'pin' a region, we'd have to make mm_mpin() do munlock()
>> after it splits the vma, and then do the pinned accounting.
>>
>> Also, we'll have lost the LOCKED state and unless MCL_FUTURE was used,
>> we don't know what to restore the vma to on mm_munpin().
>>
>> So while the accounting looks tricky, it has simpler semantics.
> 
> What if VM_PINNED will require VM_LOCKED?
> I.e. user must mlock it before pining and cannot munlock vma while it's pinned.

Mlocking makes sense, as pages won't be uselessly scanned on
non-evictable LRU, no? (Or maybe I just don't see that something else
prevents then from being there already).

Anyway I like the idea of playing nicer with compaction etc.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-27 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-26 14:56 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] VM_PINNED Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] mm: Introduce VM_PINNED and interfaces Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29  1:48   ` Rik van Riel
2014-05-29  8:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] mm,perf: Make use of VM_PINNED Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] mm,ib,umem: Use VM_PINNED Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] mm,ib,ipath: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 14:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] mm,ib,qib: " Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 20:19 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] VM_PINNED Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-26 20:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-26 20:49     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-27 10:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 10:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 11:11           ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-05-27 11:50             ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2014-05-27 13:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:05             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 14:34         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 14:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:14             ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 15:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:31                 ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 16:43                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:56                     ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-27 17:29                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 20:00                         ` Christoph Lameter
2014-05-28  6:14                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-08-01 10:16     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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