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From: Chintan Pandya <cpandya@codeaurora.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ksm: provide support to use deferrable timers for scanner thread
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:31:13 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <541156C9.1080203@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1409091225310.8432@eggly.anvils>

I don't mean to divert the thread too much. But just one suggestion 
offered by Harshad.

Why can't we stop invoking more of a KSM scanner thread when we are 
saturating from savings ? But again, to check whether savings are 
saturated or not, we may still want to rely upon timers and we have to 
wake the CPUs up from IDLE state.

>> here. Can't we create a new (timer) infrastructure that does the right
>> thing? Surely this isn't the only such case.
>
> A sleep-walking timer, that goes to sleep in one bed, but may wake in
> another; and defers while beds are empty?  I'd be happy to try using
> that for KSM if it already existed, and no doubt Chintan would too

This is interesting for sure :)

>
> But I don't think KSM presents a very good case for developing it.
> I think KSM's use of a sleep_millisecs timer is really just an apology
> for the amount of often wasted work that it does, and dates from before
> we niced it down 5.  I prefer the idea of a KSM which waits on activity
> amongst the restricted set of tasks it is tracking: as this patch tries.
>
> But my preference may be naive: doing lots of unnecessary work doesn't
> matter as much as waking cpus from deep sleep.

This is exactly the preference we are looking for. But yes, cannot be 
generalized for all.

>
>>
>> I know both RCU and some NOHZ_FULL muck already track when the system is
>> completely idle. This is yet another case of that.
>
> Hugh


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-11  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-20 12:10 [PATCH v4 1/2] timer: provide an api for deferrable timeout Chintan Pandya
2014-08-20 12:10 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] ksm: provide support to use deferrable timers for scanner thread Chintan Pandya
2014-08-28  6:02   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-03  9:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-03 10:32       ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-09-08  8:25       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-08  9:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-09 14:52           ` Chintan Pandya
2014-09-09 20:37             ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-09 20:14           ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-10  8:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-11 12:27               ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-10  8:27             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-11 12:59               ` Hugh Dickins
2014-09-11  8:01             ` Chintan Pandya [this message]
2014-09-11 13:25               ` Hugh Dickins

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