From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
42.hyeyoo@gmail.com, cl@linux.com, hailong.liu@oppo.com,
hch@infradead.org, iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, mhocko@suse.com,
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urezki@gmail.com, v-songbaohua@oppo.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
virtualization@lists.linux.dev, "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
"Maxime Coquelin" <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/4] mm: BUG_ON to avoid NULL deference while __GFP_NOFAIL fails
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2024 14:49:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5424dfa3-03db-4a82-a08e-fb31285774b3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4zWNgA1OZJ-iAa4KhDY9TuGb2vji4=FJ=Vn7ve5uF6XzQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 19.08.24 14:48, Barry Song wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:33 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 19.08.24 12:02, Barry Song wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 9:55 PM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 19.08.24 11:47, Barry Song wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 9:43 PM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17.08.24 08:24, Barry Song wrote:
>>>>>>> From: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have cases we still fail though callers might have __GFP_NOFAIL. Since
>>>>>>> they don't check the return, we are exposed to the security risks for NULL
>>>>>>> deference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though BUG_ON() is not encouraged by Linus, this is an unrecoverable
>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christoph Hellwig:
>>>>>>> The whole freaking point of __GFP_NOFAIL is that callers don't handle
>>>>>>> allocation failures. So in fact a straight BUG is the right thing
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vlastimil Babka:
>>>>>>> It's just not a recoverable situation (WARN_ON is for recoverable
>>>>>>> situations). The caller cannot handle allocation failure and at the same
>>>>>>> time asked for an impossible allocation. BUG_ON() is a guaranteed oops
>>>>>>> with stracktrace etc. We don't need to hope for the later NULL pointer
>>>>>>> dereference (which might if really unlucky happen from a different
>>>>>>> context where it's no longer obvious what lead to the allocation failing).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michal Hocko:
>>>>>>> Linus tends to be against adding new BUG() calls unless the failure is
>>>>>>> absolutely unrecoverable (e.g. corrupted data structures etc.). I am
>>>>>>> not sure how he would look at simply incorrect memory allocator usage to
>>>>>>> blow up the kernel. Now the argument could be made that those failures
>>>>>>> could cause subtle memory corruptions or even be exploitable which might
>>>>>>> be a sufficient reason to stop them early.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>
>>>>>>> Reviewed-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
>>>>>>> Acked-by: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
>>>>>>> Acked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Uladzislau Rezki (Sony) <urezki@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
>>>>>>> Cc: Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Hailong.Liu <hailong.liu@oppo.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Maxime Coquelin <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> include/linux/slab.h | 4 +++-
>>>>>>> mm/page_alloc.c | 4 +++-
>>>>>>> mm/util.c | 1 +
>>>>>>> 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/slab.h b/include/linux/slab.h
>>>>>>> index c9cb42203183..4a4d1fdc2afe 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/include/linux/slab.h
>>>>>>> +++ b/include/linux/slab.h
>>>>>>> @@ -827,8 +827,10 @@ kvmalloc_array_node_noprof(size_t n, size_t size, gfp_t flags, int node)
>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>> size_t bytes;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - if (unlikely(check_mul_overflow(n, size, &bytes)))
>>>>>>> + if (unlikely(check_mul_overflow(n, size, &bytes))) {
>>>>>>> + BUG_ON(flags & __GFP_NOFAIL);
>>>>>>> return NULL;
>>>>>>> + }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> return kvmalloc_node_noprof(bytes, flags, node);
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>> diff --git a/mm/page_alloc.c b/mm/page_alloc.c
>>>>>>> index 60742d057b05..d2c37f8f8d09 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/mm/page_alloc.c
>>>>>>> +++ b/mm/page_alloc.c
>>>>>>> @@ -4668,8 +4668,10 @@ struct page *__alloc_pages_noprof(gfp_t gfp, unsigned int order,
>>>>>>> * There are several places where we assume that the order value is sane
>>>>>>> * so bail out early if the request is out of bound.
>>>>>>> */
>>>>>>> - if (WARN_ON_ONCE_GFP(order > MAX_PAGE_ORDER, gfp))
>>>>>>> + if (WARN_ON_ONCE_GFP(order > MAX_PAGE_ORDER, gfp)) {
>>>>>>> + BUG_ON(gfp & __GFP_NOFAIL);
>>>>>>> return NULL;
>>>>>>> + }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gfp &= gfp_allowed_mask;
>>>>>>> /*
>>>>>>> diff --git a/mm/util.c b/mm/util.c
>>>>>>> index ac01925a4179..678c647b778f 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/mm/util.c
>>>>>>> +++ b/mm/util.c
>>>>>>> @@ -667,6 +667,7 @@ void *__kvmalloc_node_noprof(DECL_BUCKET_PARAMS(size, b), gfp_t flags, int node)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /* Don't even allow crazy sizes */
>>>>>>> if (unlikely(size > INT_MAX)) {
>>>>>>> + BUG_ON(flags & __GFP_NOFAIL);
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No new BUG_ON please. WARN_ON_ONCE() + recovery code might be suitable here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>> WARN_ON_ONCE() might be fine but I don't see how it is possible to recover.
>>>>
>>>> Just return NULL? "shit in shit out" :) ?
>>>
>>> Returning NULL is perfectly right if gfp doesn't include __GFP_NOFAIL,
>>> as it's the caller's responsibility to check the return value. However, with
>>> __GFP_NOFAIL, users will directly dereference *(p + offset) even when
>>> p == NULL. It is how __GFP_NOFAIL is supposed to work.
>>
>> If the caller is not supposed to pass that flag combination (shit in),
>> we are not obligated to give a reasonable result (shit out).
>>
>> My point is that we should let the caller (possibly?) crash -- the one
>> that did something that is wrong -- instead of forcing a crash using
>> BUG_ON in this code here.
>>
>> It should all be caught during testing either way. And if some OOT
>> module does something nasty, that's not our responsibility.
>>
>> BUG_ON is not a way to write assertions into the code.
>
> It seems there was a misunderstanding regarding the purpose of
> this change. we actually have many details in changelog.
>
> Its aim is not to write an assertion, but rather to prevent exposing
> a security vulnerability.
>
> Returning NULL doesn't necessarily crash the caller's process, p->field,
> *(p + offset) deference could be used by hackers to exploit the system.
See my other reply to Michal: why do we even allow to specify them
separately and not simply let one enforce the other?
That might result in an issue elsewhere, but likely no security
vulnerability?
I really hate each and every BUG_ON I have to stare at.
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-19 12:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-17 6:24 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm: clarify nofail memory allocation Barry Song
2024-08-17 6:24 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] vduse: avoid using __GFP_NOFAIL Barry Song
2024-08-17 6:24 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: document __GFP_NOFAIL must be blockable Barry Song
2024-08-17 6:24 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm: BUG_ON to avoid NULL deference while __GFP_NOFAIL fails Barry Song
2024-08-19 9:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 9:47 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 9:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 10:02 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 12:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 12:48 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 12:49 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-08-19 17:12 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 17:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 20:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 20:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 21:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 22:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-20 6:17 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 12:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-19 12:51 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 12:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-19 13:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 13:05 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 13:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 13:19 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 13:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-17 6:24 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: prohibit NULL deference exposed for unsupported non-blockable __GFP_NOFAIL Barry Song
2024-08-18 2:55 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-18 3:48 ` Barry Song
2024-08-18 5:51 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-18 6:27 ` Barry Song
2024-08-18 6:45 ` Barry Song
2024-08-18 7:07 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-18 7:25 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 7:51 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 7:50 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 9:25 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 9:39 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 9:45 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 10:10 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 11:56 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 12:09 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 12:17 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 14:01 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 10:17 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 11:56 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-19 12:04 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 9:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 10:19 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-19 12:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 13:02 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] mm: clarify nofail memory allocation David Hildenbrand
2024-08-19 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 19:23 ` Barry Song
2024-08-19 19:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-19 21:48 ` Barry Song
2024-08-20 6:24 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-21 12:40 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-21 22:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 6:21 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 6:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 6:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 7:47 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 7:57 ` Barry Song
2024-08-22 8:24 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 8:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22 9:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 9:16 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 9:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 9:11 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 9:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 9:33 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 9:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 9:59 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 10:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 10:46 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22 9:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 9:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22 9:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-22 11:58 ` Johannes Weiner
2024-08-26 12:10 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-27 6:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-08-27 7:15 ` Barry Song
2024-08-27 7:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-27 7:50 ` Barry Song
2024-08-29 10:24 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-29 11:53 ` Barry Song
2024-08-29 13:20 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 21:27 ` Barry Song
2024-08-29 22:31 ` Barry Song
2024-08-30 7:24 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-30 7:37 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-08-22 9:41 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 9:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-08-22 7:01 ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-22 7:54 ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-22 8:04 ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-22 14:35 ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-22 15:02 ` Gao Xiang
2024-08-22 6:37 ` Barry Song
2024-08-22 14:22 ` Yafang Shao
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