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From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Nathan Zimmer <nzimmer@sgi.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Scott Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
	Daniel J Blueman <daniel@numascale.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/13] Parallel struct page initialisation v4
Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 21:21:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55496C8F.606@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150505130255.49ff76bbf0a3b32d884ab2ce@linux-foundation.org>

On 05/05/2015 04:02 PM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 5 May 2015 11:45:14 +0100 Mel Gorman<mgorman@suse.de>  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 02:30:46PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
>>>> Before the patch, the boot time from elilo prompt to ssh login was 694s.
>>>> After the patch, the boot up time was 346s, a saving of 348s (about 50%).
>>> Having to guesstimate the amount of memory which is needed for a
>>> successful boot will be painful.  Any number we choose will be wrong
>>> 99% of the time.
>>>
>>> If the kswapd threads have started, all we need to do is to wait: take
>>> a little nap in the allocator's page==NULL slowpath.
>>>
>>> I'm not seeing any reason why we can't start kswapd much earlier -
>>> right at the start of do_basic_setup()?
>> It doesn't even have to be kswapd, it just should be a thread pinned to
>> a done. The difficulty is that dealing with the system hashes means the
>> initialisation has to happen before vfs_caches_init_early() when there is
>> no scheduler.
> I bet we can run vfs_caches_init_early() after sched_init().  Might
> need a few little fixups.
>
>> Those allocations could be delayed further but then there is
>> the possibility that the allocations would not be contiguous and they'd
>> have to rely on CMA to make the attempt. That potentially alters the
>> performance of the large system hashes at run time.
> hm, why.  If the kswapd threads are running and busily creating free
> pages then alloc_pages(order=10) can detect this situation and stall
> for a while, waiting for kswapd to create an order-10 page.
>
> Alternatively, the page allocator can go off and synchronously
> initialize some pageframes itself.  Keep doing that until the
> allocation attempt succeeds.
>
> Such an approach is much more robust than trying to predict how much
> memory will be needed.
>

Most of those hash tables are allocated before smp_boot. In UP mode, you 
can't have another thread initializing memory. So we really need to 
preallocate enough for those tables.

Cheers,
Longman

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-06  1:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-28 14:36 [PATCH 0/13] Parallel struct page initialisation v4 Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:36 ` [PATCH 01/13] memblock: Introduce a for_each_reserved_mem_region iterator Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:36 ` [PATCH 02/13] mm: meminit: Move page initialization into a separate function Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 03/13] mm: meminit: Only set page reserved in the memblock region Mel Gorman
2015-05-22 20:31   ` Tony Luck
2015-05-26 10:22     ` Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 04/13] mm: page_alloc: Pass PFN to __free_pages_bootmem Mel Gorman
2015-05-01  9:20   ` [PATCH] mm: page_alloc: pass PFN to __free_pages_bootmem -fix Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 05/13] mm: meminit: Make __early_pfn_to_nid SMP-safe and introduce meminit_pfn_in_nid Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 06/13] mm: meminit: Inline some helper functions Mel Gorman
2015-04-30 21:53   ` Andrew Morton
2015-04-30 21:55     ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-04  8:33   ` Michal Hocko
2015-05-04  8:38     ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 07/13] mm: meminit: Initialise a subset of struct pages if CONFIG_DEFERRED_STRUCT_PAGE_INIT is set Mel Gorman
2015-04-29 21:19   ` Andrew Morton
2015-04-30  8:45     ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-01  9:21   ` [PATCH] mm: meminit: Initialise a subset of struct pages if CONFIG_DEFERRED_STRUCT_PAGE_INIT is set -fix Mel Gorman
2015-07-14 15:54   ` 4.2-rc2: hitting "file-max limit 8192 reached" Dave Hansen
2015-07-14 16:15     ` Andrew Morton
2015-07-15 10:45     ` Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 08/13] mm: meminit: Initialise remaining struct pages in parallel with kswapd Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 09/13] mm: meminit: Minimise number of pfn->page lookups during initialisation Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 10/13] x86: mm: Enable deferred struct page initialisation on x86-64 Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 11/13] mm: meminit: Free pages in large chunks where possible Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 12/13] mm: meminit: Reduce number of times pageblocks are set during struct page init Mel Gorman
2015-05-01  9:23   ` [PATCH] mm: meminit: Reduce number of times pageblocks are set during struct page init -fix Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 14:37 ` [PATCH 13/13] mm: meminit: Remove mminit_verify_page_links Mel Gorman
2015-04-28 16:06 ` [PATCH 0/13] Parallel struct page initialisation v4 Pekka Enberg
2015-04-28 18:38   ` nzimmer
2015-04-30 16:10     ` Daniel J Blueman
2015-04-30 17:12       ` nzimmer
2015-04-30 17:28         ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-02 11:52       ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-29  1:16 ` Waiman Long
2015-05-01 22:02   ` Waiman Long
2015-05-02  0:09     ` Waiman Long
2015-05-02  8:52       ` Daniel J Blueman
2015-05-02 16:05         ` Daniel J Blueman
2015-05-04 21:30       ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-05  3:32         ` Waiman Long
2015-05-05 10:45         ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-05 13:55           ` Waiman Long
2015-05-05 14:31             ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-05 15:01               ` Waiman Long
2015-05-06  3:39                 ` Waiman Long
2015-05-06  0:55               ` Waiman Long
2015-05-05 20:02           ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-05 22:13             ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-05 22:25               ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-06  7:12                 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-06 10:22                   ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-06 12:05                     ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-06 17:58                     ` Waiman Long
2015-05-07  2:37                       ` Waiman Long
2015-05-07  7:21                         ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-06  1:21             ` Waiman Long [this message]
2015-05-06  2:01               ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-07  7:25             ` [PATCH] mm: meminit: Finish initialisation of struct pages before basic setup Mel Gorman
2015-05-07 22:09               ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-07 22:52                 ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-07 23:02                   ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-13 15:53                 ` nzimmer
2015-05-13 16:31                   ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-14 10:03                     ` Daniel J Blueman
2015-05-14 15:47                       ` nzimmer
2015-05-19 18:31                       ` nzimmer
2015-05-19 19:06                         ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-22  6:30                       ` Daniel J Blueman
2015-05-22  9:33                         ` Mel Gorman
2015-05-22 17:14                           ` Waiman Long
2015-05-22 21:43                             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-05-23  3:49                             ` Daniel J Blueman
2015-06-24 22:50                       ` Nathan Zimmer
2015-06-25 20:48                         ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-25 20:57                           ` Mel Gorman
2015-06-25 21:37                             ` Nathan Zimmer
2015-06-25 21:34                           ` Nathan Zimmer
2015-06-26 10:16                         ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-06 17:45                         ` Daniel J Blueman
2015-07-09 17:49                           ` Nathan Zimmer

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