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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] New MAP_PMEM_AWARE mmap flag
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 22:24:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56CA1CE7.6050309@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4iqAXryz0-WAtvnYf6_Q=ha8F5b-fCUt7DDhYasX=YRUA@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/21/2016 09:51 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
<>
>> Please advise?
> 
> When this came up a couple weeks ago [1], the conclusion I came away
> with is 

I think I saw that talk, no this was not suggested. What was suggested
was an FS / mount knob. That would break semantics, this here does not
break anything.

> that if an application wants to avoid the overhead of DAX
> semantics it needs to use an alternative to DAX access methods.  Maybe
> a new pmem aware fs like Nova [2], or some other mechanism that
> bypasses the semantics that existing applications on top of ext4 and
> xfs expect.
> 

But my suggestion does not break any "existing applications" and does
not break any semantics of ext4 or xfs. (That I can see)

As I said above it perfectly co exists with existing applications and
is the best of both worlds. The both applications can write to the
same page and will not break any of application's expectation. Old or
new.

Please point me to where I'm wrong in the code submitted?

Besides even an FS like Nova will need a flag per vma like this,
it will need to sort out the different type of application. So
here is how this is communicated, on the mmap call, how else?
And also works for xfs or ext4

Do you not see how this is entirely different then what was
proposed? or am I totally missing something? Again please show
me how this breaks anything's expectations.

Thanks
Boaz

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-21 20:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-21 17:03 [RFC 0/2] New MAP_PMEM_AWARE mmap flag Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 17:04 ` [RFC 1/2] mmap: Define a new " Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 17:06 ` [RFC 2/2] dax: Support " Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 19:51 ` [RFC 0/2] New " Dan Williams
2016-02-21 20:24   ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2016-02-21 20:57     ` Dan Williams
2016-02-21 21:23       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-21 22:03         ` Dan Williams
2016-02-21 22:31           ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-22  9:57             ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-22 15:34             ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-22 17:44               ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-22 17:58                 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-22 18:03                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-22 18:52                     ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23  9:45                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-22 20:05                 ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-02-23  9:52                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-23 10:07                     ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-02-23 12:06                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 17:10                         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-23 21:47                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 22:15                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 23:28                               ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-24  0:08                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 14:10                     ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 16:56                       ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 17:05                         ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-23 17:26                           ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 21:55                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 22:33                           ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 23:07                             ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 23:23                               ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 23:40                                 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-24  0:08                                   ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 23:28                             ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23 23:34                               ` Dan Williams
2016-02-23 23:43                                 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23 23:56                                   ` Dan Williams
2016-02-24  4:09                                     ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-24 19:30                                       ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-25  9:46                                         ` Jan Kara
2016-02-25  7:44                                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-24 15:02                                     ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-24 22:56                                       ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-25 16:24                                         ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 19:11                                           ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 20:15                                             ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-25 20:57                                               ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 22:27                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-26  4:02                                                   ` Dan Williams
2016-02-26 10:04                                                     ` Thanumalayan Sankaranarayana Pillai
2016-02-28 10:17                                                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-03-03 17:38                                                         ` Howard Chu
2016-02-29 20:25                                                   ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-25 21:08                                               ` Phil Terry
2016-02-25 21:39                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-25 21:20                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-29 20:32                                             ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-23 17:25                       ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-23 22:47                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-22 21:50               ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-23 13:51               ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-02-23 14:22                 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-02-22 11:05           ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-03-11  6:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 19:07   ` Dan Williams
2016-03-11 19:10     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 23:02       ` Rudoff, Andy

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