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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Yznaga <anthony.yznaga@oracle.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/22] Add support for shared PTEs across processes
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2025 22:32:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5b7e71e8-4e31-4699-b656-c35dce678a80@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250820010415.699353-1-anthony.yznaga@oracle.com>

On 20.08.25 03:03, Anthony Yznaga wrote:
> Memory pages shared between processes require page table entries
> (PTEs) for each process. Each of these PTEs consume some of
> the memory and as long as the number of mappings being maintained
> is small enough, this space consumed by page tables is not
> objectionable. When very few memory pages are shared between
> processes, the number of PTEs to maintain is mostly constrained by
> the number of pages of memory on the system. As the number of shared
> pages and the number of times pages are shared goes up, amount of
> memory consumed by page tables starts to become significant. This
> issue does not apply to threads. Any number of threads can share the
> same pages inside a process while sharing the same PTEs. Extending
> this same model to sharing pages across processes can eliminate this
> issue for sharing across processes as well.
> 
> Some of the field deployments commonly see memory pages shared
> across 1000s of processes. On x86_64, each page requires a PTE that
> is 8 bytes long which is very small compared to the 4K page
> size. When 2000 processes map the same page in their address space,
> each one of them requires 8 bytes for its PTE and together that adds
> up to 8K of memory just to hold the PTEs for one 4K page. On a
> database server with 300GB SGA, a system crash was seen with
> out-of-memory condition when 1500+ clients tried to share this SGA
> even though the system had 512GB of memory. On this server, in the
> worst case scenario of all 1500 processes mapping every page from
> SGA would have required 878GB+ for just the PTEs. If these PTEs
> could be shared, the a substantial amount of memory saved.
> 
> This patch series implements a mechanism that allows userspace
> processes to opt into sharing PTEs. It adds a new in-memory
> filesystem - msharefs. A file created on msharefs represents a
> shared region where all processes mapping that region will map
> objects within it with shared PTEs. When the file is created,
> a new host mm struct is created to hold the shared page tables
> and vmas for objects later mapped into the shared region. This
> host mm struct is associated with the file and not with a task.
> When a process mmap's the shared region, a vm flag VM_MSHARE
> is added to the vma. On page fault the vma is checked for the
> presence of the VM_MSHARE flag. If found, the host mm is
> searched for a vma that covers the fault address. Fault handling
> then continues using that host vma which establishes PTEs in the
> host mm. Fault handling in a shared region also links the shared
> page table to the process page table if the shared page table
> already exists.

Regarding the overall design, two important questions:

In the context of this series, how do we handle VMA-modifying functions 
like mprotect/some madvise/mlock/mempolicy/...? Are they currently 
blocked when applied to a mshare VMA?

And how are we handling other page table walkers that don't modify VMAs 
like MADV_DONTNEED, smaps, migrate_pages, ... etc?


-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-08 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-20  1:03 [PATCH v3 00/22] Add support for shared PTEs across processes Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:03 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] mm: Add msharefs filesystem Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-08 18:29   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-09-08 19:09     ` Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-10 12:14   ` Pedro Falcato
2025-09-10 12:46     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-20  1:03 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] mm/mshare: pre-populate msharefs with information file Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:03 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] mm/mshare: make msharefs writable and support directories Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:03 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] mm/mshare: allocate an mm_struct for msharefs files Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:03 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] mm/mshare: add ways to set the size of an mshare region Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:03 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] mm/mshare: Add a vma flag to indicate " Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-08 18:45   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 18:56     ` Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-08 19:02       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 19:03         ` Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] mm/mshare: Add mmap support Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20 19:02   ` kernel test robot
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] mm/mshare: flush all TLBs when updating PTEs in an mshare range Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] sched/numa: do not scan msharefs vmas Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] mm: add mmap_read_lock_killable_nested() Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] mm: add and use unmap_page_range vm_ops hook Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-21 15:40   ` kernel test robot
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] mm: introduce PUD page table shared count Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] mm/mshare: prepare for page table sharing support Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-15 15:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] x86/mm: enable page table sharing Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] mm: create __do_mmap() to take an mm_struct * arg Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] mm: pass the mm in vma_munmap_struct Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] sched/mshare: mshare ownership Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] mm/mshare: Add an ioctl for mapping objects in an mshare region Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20 20:36   ` kernel test robot
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] mm/mshare: Add an ioctl for unmapping " Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] mm/mshare: support mapping files and anon hugetlb " Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] mm/mshare: provide a way to identify an mm as an mshare host mm Anthony Yznaga
2025-08-20  1:04 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] mm/mshare: charge fault handling allocations to the mshare owner Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-08 18:50   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 19:21     ` Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-08 20:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 20:55         ` Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-08 20:32 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-08 20:59   ` [PATCH v3 00/22] Add support for shared PTEs across processes Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-08 21:14     ` Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-09  7:53       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-09 18:29         ` Anthony Yznaga
2025-09-09 19:06         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-02-20 21:35 ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-21 12:40   ` Pedro Falcato
2026-02-23 17:43     ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-23 19:55       ` anthony.yznaga
2026-02-25 22:53         ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-24  9:40   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-25 23:06     ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-26  9:02       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-26 21:22       ` Pedro Falcato
2026-02-27  6:34         ` Kalesh Singh

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