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To: Nhat Pham Cc: Kairui Song , Chris Li , Johannes Weiner , Michal Hocko , Roman Gushchin , Shakeel Butt , Yosry Ahmed , Muchun Song , Kemeng Shi , Baoquan He , Barry Song , YoungJun Park , Chengming Zhou , "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" , "Liam R. 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Should we get >> started with that? > > Hi David! Hi! > > Thank you for your suggestions :) More collaboration and communication > is definitely needed here. Conference is a good place for this, but > it's not something we can do very frequently, and many folks could not > attend (visa issues, etc.). Right, and conferences usually don't have the capacity to squeeze too many swap-related topics in, so it would have to be side discussions or BOFs. > > A bi-weekly/monthly series of meetings sound very appealing. Swap > contributors are very spread out (China, NorAm, Europe, etc.), so > coordination will be tricky, but let us figure out something. Yes, that's an issue. I'd suggest swap maintainers take care of that if they agree. I could try as well, but it's rather tricky right now on my end ... As an alternative, we could also use on/two/ ... slots in the bi-weekly MM alignment session to talk about swap. (I'd be happy to learn more about all this as well) -- Cheers, David