From: wangtao <tao.wangtao@honor.com>
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Subject: RE: [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement dmabuf direct I/O via copy_file_range
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2025 09:52:54 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5d36abace6bf492aadd847f0fabc38be@honor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aD72alIxu718uri4@infradead.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2025 9:20 PM
> To: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>; wangtao
> <tao.wangtao@honor.com>; sumit.semwal@linaro.org; kraxel@redhat.com;
> vivek.kasireddy@intel.com; viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk; brauner@kernel.org;
> hughd@google.com; akpm@linux-foundation.org; amir73il@gmail.com;
> benjamin.gaignard@collabora.com; Brian.Starkey@arm.com;
> jstultz@google.com; tjmercier@google.com; jack@suse.cz;
> baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com; linux-media@vger.kernel.org; dri-
> devel@lists.freedesktop.org; linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org; linux-
> kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org; linux-
> mm@kvack.org; wangbintian(BintianWang) <bintian.wang@honor.com>;
> yipengxiang <yipengxiang@honor.com>; liulu 00013167
> <liulu.liu@honor.com>; hanfeng 00012985 <feng.han@honor.com>
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement dmabuf direct I/O via
> copy_file_range
>
> On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 03:14:20PM +0200, Christian König wrote:
> > On 6/3/25 15:00, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > This is a really weird interface. No one has yet to explain why
> > > dmabuf is so special that we can't support direct I/O to it when we
> > > can support it to otherwise exotic mappings like PCI P2P ones.
> >
> > With udmabuf you can do direct I/O, it's just inefficient to walk the
> > page tables for it when you already have an array of all the folios.
>
> Does it matter compared to the I/O in this case?
>
> Either way there has been talk (in case of networking implementations) that
> use a dmabuf as a first class container for lower level I/O.
> I'd much rather do that than adding odd side interfaces. I.e. have a version
> of splice that doesn't bother with the pipe, but instead just uses in-kernel
> direct I/O on one side and dmabuf-provided folios on the other.
If the VFS layer recognizes dmabuf type and acquires its sg_table
and folios, zero-copy could also be achieved. I initially thought
dmabuf acts as a driver and shouldn't be handled by VFS, so I made
dmabuf implement copy_file_range callbacks to support direct I/O
zero-copy. I'm open to both approaches. What's the preference of
VFS experts?
Regards,
Wangtao.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-06 9:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-03 9:52 [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement dmabuf direct I/O via copy_file_range wangtao
2025-06-03 9:52 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] fs: allow cross-FS copy_file_range for memory file with direct I/O wangtao
2025-06-03 10:56 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-03 12:38 ` wangtao
2025-06-03 12:43 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-03 9:52 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] dmabuf: Implement copy_file_range callback for dmabuf direct I/O prep wangtao
2025-06-03 10:42 ` Christian König
2025-06-03 12:26 ` wangtao
2025-06-03 13:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03 9:52 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] udmabuf: Implement udmabuf direct I/O wangtao
2025-06-03 9:52 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] dmabuf:system_heap Implement system_heap dmabuf " wangtao
2025-06-03 13:00 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement dmabuf direct I/O via copy_file_range Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03 13:14 ` Christian König
2025-06-03 13:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03 14:18 ` Christian König
2025-06-03 14:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-03 15:55 ` Christian König
2025-06-03 16:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-06 9:59 ` wangtao
2025-06-06 9:52 ` wangtao [this message]
2025-06-06 11:20 ` Christian König
2025-06-09 4:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 9:32 ` wangtao
2025-06-10 10:52 ` Christian König
2025-06-10 13:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-13 9:43 ` wangtao
2025-06-16 5:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-10 13:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-13 9:33 ` wangtao
2025-06-16 5:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
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