From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
kernel-team@fb.com, pjt@google.com, luto@amacapital.net,
efault@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 11/17] cgroup: Implement new thread mode semantics
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:21:02 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5fd96236-532a-964f-f130-c93272edbc8e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170517214718.GH942@htj.duckdns.org>
On 05/17/2017 05:47 PM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Waiman.
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:34:10AM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
>> The current thread mode semantics aren't sufficient to fully support
>> threaded controllers like cpu. The main problem is that when thread
>> mode is enabled at root (mainly for performance reason), all the
>> non-threaded controllers cannot be supported at all.
>>
>> To alleviate this problem, the roles of thread root and threaded
>> cgroups are now further separated. Now thread mode can only be enabled
>> on a non-root leaf cgroup whose parent will then become the thread
>> root. All the descendants of a threaded cgroup will still need to be
>> threaded. All the non-threaded resource will be accounted for in the
>> thread root. Unlike the previous thread mode, however, a thread root
>> can have non-threaded children where system resources like memory
>> can be further split down the hierarchy.
>>
>> Now we could have something like
>>
>> R -- A -- B
>> \
>> T1 -- T2
>>
>> where R is the thread root, A and B are non-threaded cgroups, T1 and
>> T2 are threaded cgroups. The cgroups R, T1, T2 form a threaded subtree
>> where all the non-threaded resources are accounted for in R. The no
>> internal process constraint does not apply in the threaded subtree.
>> Non-threaded controllers need to properly handle the competition
>> between internal processes and child cgroups at the thread root.
>>
>> This model will be flexible enough to support the need of the threaded
>> controllers.
> I do like the approach and it does address the issue with requiring at
> least one level of nesting for the thread mode to be used with other
> controllers. I need to think a bit more about it and mull over what
> Peterz was suggesting in the old thread. I'll get back to you soon
> but I'd really prefer this and the earlier related patches to be in
> its own patchset so that we aren't dealing with different things at
> the same time.
>
> Thanks.
>
I have studied the email exchanges with your original thread mode
patchset. This patchset is aimed to hopefully address all the concerns
that Peterz has. This enhanced thread mode should address a big part of
the concern. However, I am not sure if this patch, by itself, is enough
to address all his concerns. That is why I also include 2 other major
changes in the next 2 patches. My goal is to move forward to allow all
controllers to be enabled for v2 eventually. We are not there yet, but I
hope this patchset can move thing forward meaningfully.
Regards,
Longman
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-15 13:33 [RFC PATCH v2 00/17] cgroup: Major changes to cgroup v2 core Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/17] cgroup: reorganize cgroup.procs / task write path Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/17] cgroup: add @flags to css_task_iter_start() and implement CSS_TASK_ITER_PROCS Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/17] cgroup: introduce cgroup->proc_cgrp and threaded css_set handling Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/17] cgroup: implement CSS_TASK_ITER_THREADED Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/17] cgroup: implement cgroup v2 thread support Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/17] cgroup: Fix reference counting bug in cgroup_procs_write() Waiman Long
2017-05-17 19:20 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/17] cgroup: Prevent kill_css() from being called more than once Waiman Long
2017-05-17 19:23 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-17 20:24 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:34 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/17] cgroup: Move debug cgroup to its own file Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:36 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 15:29 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-18 15:52 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-19 19:21 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-19 19:33 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-19 20:28 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/17] cgroup: Keep accurate count of tasks in each css_set Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:40 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 15:56 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/17] cgroup: Make debug cgroup support v2 and thread mode Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:43 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 15:58 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/17] cgroup: Implement new thread mode semantics Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:47 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 17:21 ` Waiman Long [this message]
2017-05-19 20:26 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-19 20:58 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-22 17:13 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-22 17:32 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 20:36 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-24 21:17 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 21:27 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 14:50 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 15:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-01 15:35 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 18:44 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 18:47 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 19:27 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 20:38 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 20:48 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 20:52 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 21:12 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 21:18 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-02 20:36 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-03 10:33 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 19:55 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 20:15 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 18:41 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/17] cgroup: Remove cgroup v2 no internal process constraint Waiman Long
2017-05-19 20:38 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-20 2:10 ` Mike Galbraith
2017-05-24 17:01 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-22 16:56 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 17:05 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-24 18:09 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 18:19 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/17] cgroup: Allow fine-grained controllers control in cgroup v2 Waiman Long
2017-05-19 20:55 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-19 21:20 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 17:31 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-24 17:49 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 17:56 ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-24 18:17 ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/17] cgroup: Enable printing of v2 controllers' cgroup hierarchy Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/17] sched: Misc preps for cgroup unified hierarchy interface Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/17] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/17] sched: Make cpu/cpuacct threaded controllers Waiman Long
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