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From: Lance Yang In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam05 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ED124180003 X-Stat-Signature: cdm3hur9zdoxtaasn71b9ssne47mf8fh X-HE-Tag: 1780304919-561598 X-HE-Meta: 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 5cCsvlOs chrFNkag5P3NE1+3tmYl45OzW9WlyE83XXHX8LTV2X4TZ5jIG7QTZiHgn5QZlnjz9yvDs0bLb/iuQyiXls6eSM4tDql18VZ4HMPyUURROO/PARnC6cYHbwgI6wDTtxjcpjnUSNAC42e/fGLmz87tHEzi39t/pqOxCTF0pgBM/TVCuD2qfIautcC0jaFgpOL3W69Ao42n1Mp1EdQacBOWtDXWgq0Y02GmP+/vj1YIAZw0JbKH0YkjD7uJlE3BgkL+P4fmAK55Ix7qwOMTtnVh0oz8MImom+6u+Gozlki2IR5HWp6lng4lGPVFmPS2te+OW8jujk9oJFJs+jog= Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 2026/6/1 14:54, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: > On 6/1/26 05:28, Lance Yang wrote: >> >> On Sun, May 31, 2026 at 10:00:17PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: >>> On 5/31/26 11:39, Lance Yang wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Emm ... is it safe to use map_anon_folio_pte_nopf() here? >>>> >>>> At this point pmdp_collapse_flush() has cleared the PMD from the page >>>> tables. The PTE table we are updating is only reachable through the saved >>>> old PMD value, _pmd, until pmd_populate() below. >>>> >>>> map_anon_folio_pte_nopf() does set_ptes() and then calls >>>> update_mmu_cache_range(). Documentation/core-api/cachetlb.rst describes >>>> that hook as: >>>> >>>> " >>>> At the end of every page fault, this routine is invoked to tell >>>> the architecture specific code that translations now exists >>>> in the software page tables for address space "vma->vm_mm" >>>> at virtual address "address" for "nr" consecutive pages. >>>> " >>>> >>>> But that does not seem true here yet, since the PTE table is not >>>> reachable from vma->vm_mm when update_mmu_cache_range() is called. >>>> >>>> Should we avoid calling update_mmu_cache_range() until after the PTE >>>> table is reinstalled with pmd_populate()? >>> >>> I recall that update_mmu_cache* users mostly care about updating folios flags, >>> for the folio derived from the PTE ... or flushing caches for the user address. >>> >>> So intuitively I would say "the architecture code doesn't care that the PMD >>> table will only be visible to HW shortly after". The important thing should be >>> that it will definetly happen, and that nothing else is curently there or can be >>> there? >> >> Ah, fair point. >> >> I was mostly worried about arch hooks that walk vma->vm_mm again, rather >> than only using the pte pointer passed in. For example, mips does: > > Right, a re-walk would be the real problem. > >> >> update_mmu_cache_range() >> -> __update_tlb() >> -> pgd_offset(vma->vm_mm, address) >> -> pte_offset_map(...) >> >> and __update_tlb() has this assumption: >> >> /* >> * update_mmu_cache() is called between pte_offset_map_lock() >> * and pte_unmap_unlock(), so we can assume that ptep is not >> * NULL here: and what should be done below if it were NULL? >> */ >> >> So if khugepaged happens to run with current->active_mm == vma->vm_mm >> here, could __update_tlb() hit the none PMD, get NULL from >> pte_offset_map(), and then dereference it? > > Likely yes -- that MIPS code is horrible. And the comment in MIPS code > even spells that out. :( > > Do you know about other code like that, or is MIPS the only one doing a > re-walk and crossing fingers? > >> >> Just wanted to raise it since some arch code may still have assumptions >> like this, and the always-enable-mTHP work is getting closer ... > > Right. I assume set_pte_at() couldn't trigger something similar (re-walk) in arch code, > because we simply provide the ptep. update_mmu_cache_range() only consumes the pte. > >> >> Probably very very very hard to hit, though :) > > Delaying update_mmu_cache_range() is nasty, as we'd have to make sure that > nobody can interfere in the meantime ... and the PMD lock will not be sufficient. > > Maybe we could reinstall the page table with the cleared (none) entries while > still holding the PTL? > > Thinking out loud: > > diff --git a/mm/khugepaged.c b/mm/khugepaged.c > index 5ba298d420b7..e39b750b1e6f 100644 > --- a/mm/khugepaged.c > +++ b/mm/khugepaged.c > @@ -1413,13 +1413,17 @@ static enum scan_result collapse_huge_page(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long s > map_anon_folio_pmd_nopf(folio, pmd, vma, pmd_addr); > } else { > /* > - * set_ptes is called in map_anon_folio_pte_nopf with the > - * pmd_ptl lock still held; this is safe as the PMD is expected > - * to be none. The pmd entry is then repopulated below. > + * Re-insert the page table with the cleared entries, but > + * hold the PTL, such that no one can mess with the re-installed > + * page table until we updated the temporarily-cleared entries > + * through map_anon_folio_pte_nopf(). > */ > - map_anon_folio_pte_nopf(folio, pte, vma, start_addr, /*uffd_wp=*/ false); > - smp_wmb(); /* make PTEs visible before PMD. See pmd_install() */ One small thing, I think we should probably keep the smp_wmb(), and just move it before the earlier pmd_populate(). IIUC, the ordering we want is still: clear old PTEs smp_wmb() pmd_populate() so another CPU cannot walk through the re-installed PMD and still observe the old PTEs, right? > + if (pte_ptl != pmd_ptl) > + spin_lock(pte_ptl); > pmd_populate(mm, pmd, pmd_pgtable(_pmd)); > + map_anon_folio_pte_nopf(folio, pte, vma, start_addr, /*uffd_wp=*/ false); > + if (pte_ptl != pmd_ptl) > + spin_unlock(pte_ptl); > } > spin_unlock(pmd_ptl); > Cheers, Lance