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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/5] alloc_tag: config to store page allocation tag refs in page flags
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:13:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <62a7eb3f-fb27-43f4-8365-0fa0456c2f01@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZxYCK0jZVmKSksA4@tiehlicka>



Am 21.10.24 um 09:26 schrieb Michal Hocko:
> On Fri 18-10-24 14:57:26, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 10:45 AM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 10:08 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Automatic fallback is possible during boot, when we decide whether to
>>> enable page extensions or not. So, if during boot we decide to disable
>>> page extensions and use page flags, we can't go back and re-enable
>>> page extensions after boot is complete. Since there is a possibility
>>> that we run out of page flags at runtime when we load a new module,
>>> this leaves this case when we can't reference the module tags and we
>>> can't fall back to page extensions, so we have to disable memory
>>> profiling.
>>> I could keep page extensions always on just in case this happens but
>>> that's a lot of memory waste to handle a rare case...
>>
>> After thinking more about this, I suggest a couple of changes that
>> IMHO would make configuration simpler:
>> 1. Change the CONFIG_PGALLOC_TAG_USE_PAGEFLAGS to an early boot
>> parameter.
> 
> This makes much more sense!
> 
>> Today we have a "mem_profiling" parameter to enable/disable
>> memory profiling. I suggest adding "mem_profiling_use_pgflags" to
>> switch the current behavior of using page extensions to use page
>> flags.
> 
> I do not want to bikeshed about this but to me it would make more sense
> to have an extension paramater to mem_profiling and call it something
> like compress or similar so that page flags are not really carved into
> naming. The docuemntation then can explain that the copression cannot be
> always guaranteed and it might fail so this is more of a optimistic and
> potentially failing optimization that might need to be dropped in some
> usege scenarios.

Maybe we can reuse the existing parameter (e.g., tristate). Only makes sense if 
we don't expect too many other modes though :)

> 
>> We keep the current behavior of using page extensions as
>> default (mem_profiling_use_pgflags=0) because it always works even
>> though it has higher overhead.
> 
> Yes this seems to be a safe default.

Agreed.

> 
>> 2. No auto-fallback. If mem_profiling_use_pgflags=1 and we don't have
>> enough page flags (at boot time or later when we load a module), we
>> simply disable memory profiling with a warning.

Sounds reasonable to me.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-21  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-14 20:36 [PATCH v3 0/5] page allocation tag compression Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-14 20:36 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] maple_tree: add mas_for_each_rev() helper Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-16  1:48   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-10-16  5:33     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-14 20:36 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] alloc_tag: load module tags into separate contiguous memory Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-14 23:51   ` Andrew Morton
2024-10-15  2:10     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-15 21:08       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-15 22:59         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-14 20:36 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] alloc_tag: populate memory for module tags as needed Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-15 12:15   ` Mike Rapoport
2024-10-15 14:49     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-14 20:36 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] alloc_tag: introduce pgalloc_tag_ref to abstract page tag references Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-14 20:36 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] alloc_tag: config to store page allocation tag refs in page flags Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-14 23:48   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-10-14 23:53     ` John Hubbard
2024-10-14 23:56       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-10-15  0:03         ` John Hubbard
2024-10-15  1:40           ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-10-15  2:03             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-15  1:58           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-15  8:10             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-10-15 15:06               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-15  7:32       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15 14:59         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-15 15:42           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-15 15:58             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-18 13:03               ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-18 16:04                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-18 17:08                   ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-18 17:45                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-18 21:57                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-21  7:26                         ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-21  9:13                           ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-10-21 15:05                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-21 15:34                               ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-21 15:41                                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-21 15:49                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-21 15:57                                   ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-21 16:16                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-21 16:23                                       ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-21 16:32                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-21 18:12                                           ` John Hubbard
2024-10-21  7:21                       ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-14 23:32 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] page allocation tag compression Andrew Morton
2024-10-15  1:48   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-10-15 16:26     ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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