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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Kyungsan Kim <ks0204.kim@samsung.com>, <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: <lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>,
	<a.manzanares@samsung.com>, <viacheslav.dubeyko@bytedance.com>,
	<dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: RE: FW: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] SMDK inspired MM changes for CXL
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:03:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <641b7b2117d02_1b98bb294cb@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230322043353.143487-1-ks0204.kim@samsung.com>

Kyungsan Kim wrote:
[..]
> >In addition to CXL memory, we may have other kind of memory in the
> >system, for example, HBM (High Bandwidth Memory), memory in FPGA card,
> >memory in GPU card, etc.  I guess that we need to consider them
> >together.  Do we need to add one zone type for each kind of memory?
> 
> We also don't think a new zone is needed for every single memory
> device.  Our viewpoint is the sole ZONE_NORMAL becomes not enough to
> manage multiple volatile memory devices due to the increased device
> types.  Including CXL DRAM, we think the ZONE_EXMEM can be used to
> represent extended volatile memories that have different HW
> characteristics.

Some advice for the LSF/MM discussion, the rationale will need to be
more than "we think the ZONE_EXMEM can be used to represent extended
volatile memories that have different HW characteristics". It needs to
be along the lines of "yes, to date Linux has been able to describe DDR
with NUMA effects, PMEM with high write overhead, and HBM with improved
bandwidth not necessarily latency, all without adding a new ZONE, but a
new ZONE is absolutely required now to enable use case FOO, or address
unfixable NUMA problem BAR." Without FOO and BAR to discuss the code
maintainability concern of "fewer degress of freedom in the ZONE
dimension" starts to dominate.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-22 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20230221014114epcas2p1687db1d75765a8f9ed0b3495eab1154d@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-02-21  1:41 ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] SMDK inspired MM changes for CXL Kyungsan Kim
2023-02-27 23:14   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]     ` <CGME20230228043551epcas2p3085444899b00b106c2901e1f51814d2c@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-02-28  4:35       ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-03  6:07   ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]     ` <CGME20230322043354epcas2p2227bcad190a470d635b92f92587dc69e@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-22  4:33       ` FW: " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-22 22:03         ` Dan Williams [this message]
     [not found]           ` <CGME20230323105106epcas2p39ea8de619622376a4698db425c6a6fb3@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-03-23 10:51             ` RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-23 12:25               ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                 ` <CGME20230324090923epcas2p2710ba4dc8157f9141c03104cf66e9d26@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-24  9:09                   ` RE(4): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24  9:12                     ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                       ` <CGME20230324092731epcas2p315c348bd76ef9fc84bffdb158e4c1aa4@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-03-24  9:27                         ` RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24  9:30                           ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                             ` <CGME20230324095031epcas2p284095ae90b25a47360b5098478dffdaa@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-24  9:50                               ` RE(3): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24 13:08                                 ` Jørgen Hansen
2023-03-24 22:33                                   ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                     ` <CGME20230331114220epcas2p2d5734efcbdd8956f861f8e7178cd5288@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:42                                       ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-31 13:42                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-31 15:56                                           ` Frank van der Linden
2023-04-03  8:34                                             ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                               ` <CGME20230405021655epcas2p2364b1f56dcde629bbd05bc796c2896aa@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:16                                                 ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                                             ` <CGME20230405020631epcas2p1c85058b28a70bbd46d587e78a9c9c7ad@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:06                                               ` Re: " Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-05  5:00                                                 ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                                           ` <CGME20230405020121epcas2p2d9d39c151b6c5ab9e568ab9e2ab826ce@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:01                                             ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-05  3:11                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-03  8:28                                         ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                           ` <CGME20230405020916epcas2p24cf04f5354c12632eba50b64b217e403@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:09                                             ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                                   ` <CGME20230331113147epcas2p12655777fec6839f7070ffcc446e3581b@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:31                                     ` RE: RE(3): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24  0:41               ` RE(2): " Huang, Ying
     [not found]                 ` <CGME20230324084808epcas2p354865d38dccddcb5cd46b17610345a5f@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-03-24  8:48                   ` RE(4): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24 13:46                     ` Gregory Price
     [not found]                       ` <CGME20230331113417epcas2p20a886e1712dbdb1f8eec03a2ac0a47e2@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:34                         ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-31 15:53                           ` Gregory Price
     [not found]                             ` <CGME20230405020257epcas2p11b253f8c97a353890b96e6ae6eb515d3@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:02                               ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24 14:55               ` RE(2): " Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-24 17:49                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                   ` <CGME20230331113715epcas2p13127b95af4000ec1ed96a2e9d89b7444@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:37                     ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-31 12:54                       ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                         ` <CGME20230405020027epcas2p4682d43446a493385b60c39a1dbbf07d6@epcas2p4.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:00                           ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-05  4:48                             ` Dan Williams
2023-04-05 18:12                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-05 19:42                                 ` Dan Williams
2023-04-06 12:27                                   ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                     ` <CGME20230407093007epcas2p32addf5da24110c3e45c90a15dcde0d01@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-04-07  9:30                                       ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                   ` <CGME20230331113845epcas2p313118617918ae2bf634c3c475fc5dbd8@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:38                     ` Re: RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-26  7:21               ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-30 22:03                 ` Dragan Stancevic
2023-04-03  8:44                   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-04-04  4:27                     ` Dragan Stancevic
2023-04-04  6:47                       ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-06 22:27                         ` Dragan Stancevic
2023-04-07  0:58                           ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]                             ` <CGME20230407092950epcas2p12bc20c2952a800cf3f4f1d0b695f67e2@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-04-07  9:29                               ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-07 14:35                             ` Dragan Stancevic
     [not found]                       ` <CGME20230405101840epcas2p4c92037ceba77dfe963d24791a9058450@epcas2p4.samsung.com>
2023-04-05 10:18                         ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                 ` <CGME20230331114526epcas2p2b6f1d4c8c1c0b2e3c12a425b6e48c0d8@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:45                   ` RE: RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-04  8:31                     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-04-04 17:58                       ` Adam Manzanares
2023-04-01 10:51                         ` Gregory Price
2023-04-04 18:59                           ` [External] " Viacheslav A.Dubeyko
2023-04-01 11:51                             ` Gregory Price
2023-04-04 21:09                               ` Viacheslav A.Dubeyko
2023-04-04 23:51                               ` Dan Williams
2023-04-05  2:34                                 ` Gregory Price
     [not found]                               ` <CGME20230405101843epcas2p2c819c8d60b2a9a776124c2b4bc25af14@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05 10:18                                 ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-30 22:02   ` Dragan Stancevic
     [not found]     ` <CGME20230331114649epcas2p23d52cd1d224085e6192a0aaf22948e3e@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:46       ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]   ` <CGME20230414084120epcas2p37f105901350410772a3115a5a490c215@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-04-14  8:41     ` FW: " Kyungsan Kim
2023-05-09 18:45       ` MTK

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