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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Jingbo Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
Cc: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>,
	Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	josef@toxicpanda.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 4/5] mm/migrate: skip migrating folios under writeback with AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE mappings
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 17:23:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <67fec986-6a5d-4b1e-a86f-7ecccb1bccf5@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c163c6ab-6121-427c-ab06-58db2eea671b@linux.alibaba.com>

On 21.12.24 03:28, Jingbo Xu wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/21/24 2:01 AM, Shakeel Butt wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 03:49:39PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> I'm wondering if there would be a way to just "cancel" the writeback and
>>>>> mark the folio dirty again. That way it could be migrated, but not
>>>>> reclaimed. At least we could avoid the whole AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE
>>>>> thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is what I basically meant with short timeouts. Obviously it is not
>>>> that simple to cancel the request and to retry - it would add in quite
>>>> some complexity, if all the issues that arise can be solved at all.
>>>
>>> At least it would keep that out of core-mm.
>>>
>>> AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE really has weird smell to it ... we should try to
>>> improve such scenarios, not acknowledge and integrate them, then work around
>>> using timeouts that must be manually configured, and ca likely no be default
>>> enabled because it could hurt reasonable use cases :(
>>
>> Just to be clear AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE is being used in two core-mm
>> parts. First is reclaim and second is compaction/migration. For reclaim,
>> it is a must have as explained by Jingbo in [1] i.e. due to potential
>> self deadlock by fuse server. If I understand you correctly, the main
>> concern you have is its usage in the second case.
>>
>> The reason for adding AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE in the second case was
>> to avoid untrusted fuse server causing pain to unrelated jobs on the
>> machine (fuse folks please correct me if I am wrong here).
> 
> Right, IIUC direct MIGRATE_SYNC migration won't be triggered on the
> memory allocation path, i.e. the fuse server itself won't stumble into
> MIGRATE_SYNC migration.
> 

Maybe memory compaction (on higher-order allocations only) could trigger it?

gfp_compaction_allowed() checks __GFP_IO. GFP_KERNEL includes that.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-21 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-22 23:23 [PATCH v6 0/5] fuse: remove temp page copies in writeback Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] mm: add AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE mapping flag Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] mm: skip reclaiming folios in legacy memcg writeback indeterminate contexts Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] fs/writeback: in wait_sb_inodes(), skip wait for AS_WRITEBACK_INDETERMINATE mappings Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] mm/migrate: skip migrating folios under writeback with " Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 13:05   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 14:19     ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:08       ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:39         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 15:47           ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:50             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 15:43     ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 15:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 15:53         ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 15:55           ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 15:56             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 16:00               ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 16:02                 ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 16:09                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 16:14                     ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19 16:26                       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:31                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 16:53                           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:22             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:29               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 16:40                 ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 16:41                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 17:14                     ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 17:26                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-19 17:30                         ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 17:37                           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-19 17:40                             ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 17:44                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 17:54                               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-20 11:44                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-20 12:15                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-20 14:49                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-20 15:26                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-20 18:01                                       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-21  2:28                                         ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-21 16:23                                           ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-12-22  2:47                                             ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-24 11:32                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-21 16:18                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-23 22:14                                           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-24 12:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-26 15:11                                               ` Zi Yan
2024-12-26 20:13                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-26 22:02                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-27 20:08                                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-27 20:32                                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-30 17:52                                                     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-30 10:16                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-30 18:38                                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-30 19:52                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-30 20:11                                                       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-02 18:54                                                         ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-03 20:31                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-06 10:19                                                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-06 18:17                                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-07  8:34                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-07 18:07                                                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-09 11:22                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 20:28                                                                       ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 21:13                                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 22:00                                                                           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-13 15:27                                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-13 21:44                                                                               ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-14  8:38                                                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14  9:40                                                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14  9:55                                                                                     ` Bernd Schubert
2025-01-14 10:07                                                                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 18:07                                                                                         ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-14 18:58                                                                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 19:12                                                                                             ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-14 20:00                                                                                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 20:29                                                                                               ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-14 21:40                                                                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2025-01-23 16:06                                                                                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-01-14 20:51                                                                                         ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-24 12:25                                                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-14 15:49                                                                                     ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-24 12:29                                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-28 10:16                                                                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-14 15:44                                                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-14 18:58                                                                                     ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-10 23:11                                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 20:16                                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 20:20                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 20:43                                                                       ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 21:00                                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-10 21:07                                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2025-01-10 21:21                                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-07 16:15                                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2025-01-08  1:40                                                                   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-30 20:04                                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-01-02 19:59                                                       ` Joanne Koong
2025-01-02 20:26                                                         ` Zi Yan
2024-12-20 21:01                                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-21 16:25                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-21 21:59                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-23 19:00                                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-26 22:44                                               ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-27 18:25                                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 17:55                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-19 18:04                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-12-19 18:11                             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-20  7:55                     ` Jingbo Xu
2025-04-02 21:34     ` Joanne Koong
2025-04-03  3:31       ` Jingbo Xu
2025-04-03  9:18         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-03  9:25           ` Bernd Schubert
2025-04-03  9:35             ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-03 19:09           ` Joanne Koong
2025-04-03 20:44             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-03 22:04               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree Joanne Koong
2024-11-25  9:46   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-12-12 21:55 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] fuse: remove temp page copies in writeback Joanne Koong
2024-12-13 11:52 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-12-13 16:47   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-18 17:37     ` Joanne Koong
2024-12-18 17:44       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-12-18 17:53         ` Joanne Koong

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