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From: "Aubrey Li" <aubreylee@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Robin Getz <rgetz@blackfin.uclinux.org>,
	"Hennerich, Michael" <Michael.Hennerich@analog.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dgc@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Limit the size of the pagecache
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:51:39 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6d6a94c50701231951o66487813vcd078fc25e25ffa0@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701231908420.6123@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On 1/24/07, Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:
>
> > > 1. Insure that anonymous pages that may contain performance
> > >    critical data is never subject to swap.
> > >
> > > 2. Insure rapid turnaround of pages in the cache.
> >
> > So if these two aren't working properly at 100%, then I want to know the
> > reason why. Or at least see what the workload and the numbers look like.
>
> The reason for the anonymous page may be because data is rarely touched
> but for some reason the pages must stay in memory. Rapid turnaround is
> just one of the reason that I vaguely recall but I never really
> understood what the purpose was.
>
> > > 3. Reserve memory for other uses? (Aubrey?)
> >
> > Maybe. This is still a bad hack, and I don't like to legitimise such use
> > though. I hope Aubrey isn't relying on this alone for his device to work
> > because his customers might end up hitting fragmentation problems sooner
> > or later.
>
> I surely wish that Aubrey would give us some more clarity on
> how this should work. Maybe the others who want this feature could also
> speak up? I am not that clear on its purpose.
>
Sorry for the delay. Somehow this thread was put into the spam folder
of my gmail box. :(
The patch I posted several days ago works properly on my side. I'm
working on blackfin-uclinux platform. So I'm not sure it works 100% on
the other arch platform. From O_DIRECT threads, I know different
people suffer from VFS pagecache issue for different reason. So I
really hope the patch can be improved.

On my side, When VFS pagecache eat up all of the available memory,
applications who want to allocate the largeish block(order =4 ?) will
fail. So the logic is as follows:

if request pagecache
      watermark =  min + reserved_pagecache.
else
      watermark =  min.

Here, assume min=123 pages, reserved_pagecache = 200 pages. That means
when VFS pagecache eat up its all of available memory, there are still
200 pages available for the allocation of the application. Does that
make sense?

> I hope Aubrey isn't relying on this alone for his device to work
> because his customers might end up hitting fragmentation problems sooner
> or later.

That's true. I wrote a replacement of buddy system, it's here:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/30/36.

That can improve the fragmentation problems on our platform.

Christoph - I can't find your original patch, Can you send me again?
it would be great if you merged all of the  enhancement.

Thanks,
-Aubrey

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-24  3:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-24  0:49 [RFC] Limit the size of the pagecache Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  2:53 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  3:01   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  5:47   ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24  3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24  3:14   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  3:51     ` Aubrey Li [this message]
2007-01-24  4:03       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-26 10:27         ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-24  3:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  4:30   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24  5:15     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  0:32       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  2:41         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  3:12           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  4:28             ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  5:19               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-25  5:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  6:00                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-26 10:29       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 18:01         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-01-24  7:04 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24  7:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 12:50   ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-24 12:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-24 14:58     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-24 20:06       ` Erik Andersen
2007-01-25  2:40         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  8:07           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:22   ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 14:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-25  2:27       ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-24 12:33 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-24 14:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  4:17     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25  4:45       ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25  5:49         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25 16:07           ` Rik van Riel
2007-01-25 17:57             ` Balbir Singh
2007-01-25  6:35       ` Aubrey Li
2007-01-25  6:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-01-25  7:49         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2007-01-25  4:18 ` Rik van Riel
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     [not found]     ` <7GRLZ-7Uy-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-01-25 14:51       ` Bodo Eggert

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