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I can see that from the patch. >>>> >>>> This changelog is way, way, waaay too light on details. Sorry for jumping in at >>>> the 11th hour, but we've spent what, 2 years working on this? >>>> >>>>> Reviewed-by: Gavin Shan >>>>> Acked-by: David Hildenbrand >>>>> Co-developed-by: Ackerley Tng >>>>> Signed-off-by: Ackerley Tng >>>>> Signed-off-by: Fuad Tabba >>>>> --- >>>>> diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/kvm.h b/include/uapi/linux/kvm.h >>>>> index d00b85cb168c..cb19150fd595 100644 >>>>> --- a/include/uapi/linux/kvm.h >>>>> +++ b/include/uapi/linux/kvm.h >>>>> @@ -1570,6 +1570,7 @@ struct kvm_memory_attributes { >>>>> #define KVM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTE_PRIVATE (1ULL << 3) >>>>> >>>>> #define KVM_CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD _IOWR(KVMIO, 0xd4, struct kvm_create_guest_memfd) >>>>> +#define GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_SUPPORT_SHARED (1ULL << 0) >>>> >>>> I find the SUPPORT_SHARED terminology to be super confusing. I had to dig quite >>>> deep to undesrtand that "support shared" actually mean "userspace explicitly >>>> enable sharing on _this_ guest_memfd instance". E.g. I was surprised to see >>>> >>>> IMO, GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_SHAREABLE would be more appropriate. But even that is >>>> weird to me. For non-CoCo VMs, there is no concept of shared vs. private. What's >>>> novel and notable is that the memory is _mappable_. Yeah, yeah, pKVM's use case >>>> is to share memory, but that's a _use case_, not the property of guest_memfd that >>>> is being controlled by userspace. >>>> >>>> And kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_shared() is even worse. It's simply that the >>>> memslot is bound to a mappable guest_memfd instance, it's that the guest_memfd >>>> instance is the _only_ entry point to the memslot. >>>> >>>> So my vote would be "GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MAPPABLE", and then something like >>> >>> If we are going to change this; FLAG_MAPPABLE is not clear to me either. >>> The guest can map private memory, right? I see your point about shared >>> being overloaded with file shared but it would not be the first time a >>> term is overloaded. kvm_slot_has_gmem() does makes a lot of sense. >>> >>> If it is going to change; how about GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_USER_MAPPABLE? >> >> If "shared" is not good enough terminology ... >> >> ... can we please just find a way to name what this "non-private" memory >> is called? That something is mappable into $whatever is not the right >> way to look at this IMHO. As raised in the past, we can easily support >> read()/write()/etc to this non-private memory. >> >> >> I'll note, the "non-private" memory in guest-memfd behaves just like ... >> the "shared" memory in shmem ... well, or like other memory in memfd. >> (which is based on mm/shmem.c). >> >> "Private" is also not the best way to describe the "protected\encrypted" >> memory, but that ship has sailed with KVM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTE_PRIVATE. >> >> I'll further note that in the doc of KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION2 we talk >> about "private" vs "shared" memory ... so that would have to be improved >> as well. > > To add to what David just wrote, V1 of this series used the term > "mappable" [1]. After a few discussions, I thought the consensus was > that "shared" was a more accurate description --- i.e., mappability > was a side effect of it being shared with the host. > > One could argue that non-CoCo VMs have no concept of "shared" vs > "private". A different way of looking at it is, non-CoCo VMs have > their state as shared by default. All memory of these VMs behaves similar to other memory-based shared memory backends (memfd, shmem) in the system, yes. You can map it into multiple processes and use it like shmem/memfd. I'm still thinking about another way to call non-private memory ... no success so far. "ordinary" or "generic" is .... not better. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb