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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Tyler Sanderson <tysand@google.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@linux.intel.com>,
	"Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Balloon pressuring page cache
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 09:29:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <74cc25a6-cefb-c580-8e59-5b76fb680bf4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuQAmqGA9mhzR5AQeMDtovJAh7y8khC3qUtLKx_e9RdL0wFJQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 03.02.20 21:32, Tyler Sanderson wrote:
> There were apparently good reasons for moving away from OOM notifier
> callback:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/7/12/314
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/8/2/322
> 
> In particular the OOM notifier is worse than the shrinker because:

The issue is that DEFLATE_ON_OOM is under-specified.

> 
>  1. It is last-resort, which means the system has already gone through
>     heroics to prevent OOM. Those heroic reclaim efforts are expensive
>     and impact application performance.

That's *exactly* what "deflate on OOM" suggests.

Assume you are using virtio-balloon for some weird way of memory
hotunplug (which is what some people do) and you want to minimize the
footprint of your guest. Then you really only want to give the guest
more memory (or rather, let it take back memory automatically in this
case) in case it really needs more memory. It should try to reclaim first.

Under-specified.


>  2. It lacks understanding of NUMA or other OOM constraints.

Ballooning in general lacks the understanding of NUMA.

>  3. It has a higher potential for bugs due to the subtlety of the
>     callback context.

While that is a valid point, it doesn't explain why existing
functionality is changed.

Personally, I think DEFLATE_ON_OOM should never have been introduced (at
least not in this form).


-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-02-04  8:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <91270a68-ff48-88b0-219c-69801f0c252f@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <CAJuQAmoaK0Swytu2Os_SQRfG5_LqiCPaDa9yatatm9MtfncNTQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-01-30 15:02     ` Balloon pressuring page cache David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 15:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-30 15:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 15:31       ` Wang, Wei W
2020-01-30 19:59         ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-03 13:11           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-03 16:18             ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-03 16:34               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-03 17:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-03 20:32                   ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-03 21:22                     ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-03 23:16                       ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-04  0:10                         ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-04  5:45                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04  8:29                     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-02-04 18:52                       ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-04 18:56                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 19:17                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 23:58                           ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05  0:15                             ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05  6:57                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 19:01                               ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-05 19:22                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2020-02-05 21:44                                   ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-06 11:00                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-03 22:50                 ` Nadav Amit
2020-02-04  8:35                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04  8:40                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04  8:48                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 14:30                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 16:50                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-04 16:56                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-04 20:33                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05  8:31                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  6:52                           ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  7:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05  8:50                               ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  6:49                         ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  8:19                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  8:54                             ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  8:56                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:00                                 ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:05                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:19                                     ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:22                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:35                                         ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:37                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:49                                             ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  9:58                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 10:25                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 10:42                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05  9:35                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 18:43                                   ` Tyler Sanderson
2020-02-06  9:30                                     ` Wang, Wei W
2020-02-05  7:35                   ` Nadav Amit
2020-02-05  8:19                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-02-05 10:27                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-02-05 10:43                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-01-30 22:46       ` Tyler Sanderson

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