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From: Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>
To: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, hughd@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	david@redhat.com, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	imran.f.khan@oracle.com, kamalesh.babulal@oracle.com,
	axelrasmussen@google.com, yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 04/26] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru()
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 14:11:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <79ba4e0c-eac8-420e-b6b2-b7cdede5dcfc@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aRF7eYlBKmG3hEFF@hyeyoo>



On 11/10/25 1:43 PM, Harry Yoo wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 12:30:06PM +0800, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/25 10:13 AM, Harry Yoo wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 10:32:52PM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Nov 07, 2025 at 10:20:57PM +0900, Harry Yoo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it's mentioned in the locking documentation, I'm afraid that
>>>>> local_lock is not the right interface to use here. Preemption will be
>>>>> disabled anyway (on both PREEMPT_RT and !PREEMPT_RT) when the stats are
>>>>> updated (in __mod_node_page_state()).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here we just want to disable IRQ only on !PREEMPT_RT (to update
>>>>> the stats safely).
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there is a need to disable IRQs. There are three stats
>>>> update functions called in that hunk.
>>>>
>>>> 1) __mod_lruvec_state
>>>> 2) __count_vm_events
>>>> 3) count_memcg_events
>>>>
>>>> count_memcg_events() can be called with IRQs. __count_vm_events can be
>>>> replaced with count_vm_events.
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>> For __mod_lruvec_state, the
>>>> __mod_node_page_state() inside needs preemption disabled.
>>>
>>> The function __mod_node_page_state() disables preemption.
>>> And there's a comment in __mod_zone_page_state():
>>>
>>>> /*
>>>>    * Accurate vmstat updates require a RMW. On !PREEMPT_RT kernels,
>>>>    * atomicity is provided by IRQs being disabled -- either explicitly
>>>>    * or via local_lock_irq. On PREEMPT_RT, local_lock_irq only disables
>>>>    * CPU migrations and preemption potentially corrupts a counter so
>>>>    * disable preemption.
>>>>    */
>>>> preempt_disable_nested();
>>>
>>> We're relying on IRQs being disabled on !PREEMPT_RT.
>>
>> So it's possible for us to update vmstat within an interrupt context,
>> right?
> 
> Yes, for instance when freeing memory in an interrupt context we can
> update vmstat and that's why we disable interrupts now.

Got it.

> 
>> There is also a comment above __mod_zone_page_state():
>>
>> /*
>>   * For use when we know that interrupts are disabled,
>>   * or when we know that preemption is disabled and that
>>   * particular counter cannot be updated from interrupt context.
>>   */
> 
> Yeah we don't have to disable IRQs when we already know it's disabled.
> 
>> BTW, the comment inside __mod_node_page_state() should be:
>>
>> /* See __mod_zone_page_state */
>>
>> instead of
>>
>> /* See __mod_node_page_state */
>>
>> Will fix it.
> 
> Right :) Thanks!
> 
>>> Maybe we could make it safe against re-entrant IRQ handlers by using
>>> read-modify-write operations?
>>
>> Isn't it because of the RMW operation that we need to use IRQ to
>> guarantee atomicity? Or have I misunderstood something?
> 
> I meant using atomic operations instead of disabling IRQs, like, by
> using this_cpu_add() or cmpxchg() instead.

Got it. I will give it a try.

Thanks,
Qi

> 



  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-10  6:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-28 13:58 [PATCH v1 00/26] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 01/26] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-11-07  1:40   ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 02/26] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2025-11-07  1:55   ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 03/26] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Qi Zheng
2025-11-07  2:03   ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 04/26] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Qi Zheng
2025-11-07  5:11   ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-07  6:41     ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-07 13:20       ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-08  6:32         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-10  2:13           ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-10  4:30             ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-10  5:43               ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-10  6:11                 ` Qi Zheng [this message]
2025-11-10 16:47                 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11  0:42                   ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11  3:04                   ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11  3:16                     ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11  3:23                       ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11  8:49                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-11-11 16:44                         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11  3:17                     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11  3:24                       ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-07  7:18     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 05/26] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 06/26] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 07/26] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 08/26] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 09/26] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 10/26] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 11/26] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 12/26] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 13/26] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 14/26] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 15/26] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 16/26] mm: thp: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_split_queue_lock{_irqsave}() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 17/26] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 18/26] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 19/26] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in swap module Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 20/26] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 21/26] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock Qi Zheng
2025-11-04  6:49   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-04  8:59     ` Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 22/26] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting traditional LRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 23/26] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting MGLRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 24/26] mm: memcontrol: refactor memcg_reparent_objcgs() Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 25/26] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 13:58 ` [PATCH v1 26/26] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Qi Zheng
2025-10-28 20:58 ` [syzbot ci] Re: Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup syzbot ci
2025-10-29  0:22   ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-29  0:25     ` syzbot ci
2025-10-29  3:12     ` Qi Zheng
2025-10-29  7:53 ` [PATCH v1 00/26] " Michal Hocko
2025-10-29  8:05   ` Qi Zheng
2025-10-31 10:35     ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-03  3:33       ` Qi Zheng

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