From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Jinjiang Tu <tujinjiang@huawei.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org,
surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix COW mapping handing in generic_access_phys
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 20:03:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7c2198e8-01e4-41ac-a69b-00f06767e5f9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250528175915.GB61950@nvidia.com>
On 28.05.25 19:59, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 02:47:54PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 07:32:59PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On 28.05.25 18:29, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 12:06:07PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
>>>>> #define VM_PFNMAP 0x00000400 /* Page-ranges managed without "struct page", just pure PFN */
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not confident to blame any driver yet to have those special cases for
>>>>> VM_PFNMAP, because it only says "managed without struct page", it didn't
>>>>> say "it must not contain struct page".. Hence it hints the core mm "please
>>>>> do not manage these mappings with struct page at all". Still sounds fair
>>>>> contract, even if not ideal.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is pretty clear, if a VMA has VM_PFNMAP then nothing must
>>>> ever try to obtain a struct page from any PTEs in it, for any reason,
>>>> even if things in it might have a struct page. In practice it means
>>>> nothing can call vm_normal_page() on a VM_PFNMAP.
>>>
>>> No, not until we remove any COW mappings of VM_PFNMAP.
>>
>> I stand by the statement, the COW mapping thing is broken. Just
>> because it is wrong doesn't mean it is allowed to call
>> vm_normal_page() on VM_PFNMAP.
>
> I guess I got this backwards in my memory, the vm_normal_page() thing
> is specifically to fix the COW nastyness on VM_PFNMAP.
>
> So it is OK to call vm_normal_page() on both kinds of VMAs and it will
> return NULL if you are not allowed to touch the struct page.
>
> This is still what GUP should be doing, vm_normal_page() and if no
> struct page comes back then failure. It should never try to get a
> struct page some other way.
Exactly. And we can even do that for VM_PFNMAP and just have COW
VM_PFNMAP supported in GUP, likely resolving the issue here.
Should be fairly easy ...
>
> Yes, GUP fast will be inconsistent with GUP slow on non-special
> arches, but that is unfixable without taking a performance hit.
IIRC, GUP-fast requires PTE-special.
So it should then all work as expected ...
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-28 18:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-28 1:56 [PATCH] mm: fix COW mapping handing in generic_access_phys Jinjiang Tu
2025-05-28 8:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 9:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 12:14 ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-05-28 14:54 ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 15:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 15:25 ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 15:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 16:06 ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 16:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 17:14 ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 17:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 17:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 17:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 17:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 17:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 18:03 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-05-28 18:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 18:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 18:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 18:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 10:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 12:13 ` Jinjiang Tu
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