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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Jinjiang Tu <tujinjiang@huawei.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
	Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix COW mapping handing in generic_access_phys
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 20:03:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7c2198e8-01e4-41ac-a69b-00f06767e5f9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250528175915.GB61950@nvidia.com>

On 28.05.25 19:59, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 02:47:54PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 07:32:59PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On 28.05.25 18:29, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 12:06:07PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
>>>>> #define VM_PFNMAP	0x00000400	/* Page-ranges managed without "struct page", just pure PFN */
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not confident to blame any driver yet to have those special cases for
>>>>> VM_PFNMAP, because it only says "managed without struct page", it didn't
>>>>> say "it must not contain struct page"..  Hence it hints the core mm "please
>>>>> do not manage these mappings with struct page at all".  Still sounds fair
>>>>> contract, even if not ideal.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is pretty clear, if a VMA has VM_PFNMAP then nothing must
>>>> ever try to obtain a struct page from any PTEs in it, for any reason,
>>>> even if things in it might have a struct page. In practice it means
>>>> nothing can call vm_normal_page() on a VM_PFNMAP.
>>>
>>> No, not until we remove any COW mappings of VM_PFNMAP.
>>
>> I stand by the statement, the COW mapping thing is broken. Just
>> because it is wrong doesn't mean it is allowed to call
>> vm_normal_page() on VM_PFNMAP.
> 
> I guess I got this backwards in my memory, the vm_normal_page() thing
> is specifically to fix the COW nastyness on VM_PFNMAP.
> 
> So it is OK to call vm_normal_page() on both kinds of VMAs and it will
> return NULL if you are not allowed to touch the struct page.
> 
> This is still what GUP should be doing, vm_normal_page() and if no
> struct page comes back then failure. It should never try to get a
> struct page some other way.

Exactly. And we can even do that for VM_PFNMAP and just have COW 
VM_PFNMAP supported in GUP, likely resolving the issue here.

Should be fairly easy ...

> 
> Yes, GUP fast will be inconsistent with GUP slow on non-special
> arches, but that is unfixable without taking a performance hit.

IIRC, GUP-fast requires PTE-special.

So it should then all work as expected ...

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-28 18:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-28  1:56 [PATCH] mm: fix COW mapping handing in generic_access_phys Jinjiang Tu
2025-05-28  8:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28  9:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 12:14     ` Jinjiang Tu
2025-05-28 14:54     ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 15:02       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 15:25         ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 15:29           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 16:06             ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 16:29               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 17:14                 ` Peter Xu
2025-05-28 17:34                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 17:37                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 17:32                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 17:47                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 17:59                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 18:03                       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-05-28 18:00                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 18:15                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-28 18:22                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 18:29                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-30 10:04                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-28 12:13   ` Jinjiang Tu

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