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From: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
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	Vineeth Pillai <vineethrp@google.com>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [POC][RFC][PATCH] sched: Extended Scheduler Time Slice
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:31:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <82b0104f-1f05-44b0-9e95-57beecd541c8@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231026114927.46145fe6@gandalf.local.home>

On 10/26/23 17:49, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 09:40:35 -0400
> Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hence, why I don't want to associate this with priority inheritance. The
>> time constraint is a fundamental difference.
> 
> Let me add one more fundamental difference here that makes this solution
> different than priority inheritance and ceiling.
> 
> PI and ceiling define the correctness of the system. If you get it wrong or
> remove it, the system can be incorrect and lock up, fail deadlines, etc.
> There's hundreds, if not thousands of papers mathematically defining the
> correctness of PI, ceiling and proxy execution, as they are complex and
> critical for the system to behave properly.
> 
> This feature is a performance boost only, and has nothing to do with
> "correctness". That's because it has that arbitrary time where it can run a
> little more. It's more like the difference between having something in
> cache and a cache miss. This would cause many academics to quit and find a
> job in sales if they had to prove the correctness of an algorithm that gave
> you a boost for some random amount of time. The idea here is to help with
> performance. If it exists, great, your application will likely perform
> better. If it doesn't, no big deal, you may just have to deal with longer
> wait times on critical sections.

terminologies, terminologies.... those academic people :-)

I think that this can also be seen as an extension of the non-preemptive
mode to the user space, but... not entirely, it is a ceiling to the
[ higher than fair/lower than RT ] prior?

and it is not global. It is partitioned: once the section starts, it stays
there, being preempted by RT/DL?

[ trying to understand the implications of it ]

> 
> This is why I do not want to associate this as another form of PI or
> ceiling.
> 
> -- Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-25  9:42 [POC][RFC][PATCH] sched: Extended Scheduler Time Slice Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25  9:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 10:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 12:54   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 13:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 14:31       ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 14:53         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 15:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 15:42         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 16:24           ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-25 17:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 18:49               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 19:19                 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 21:56                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-26  8:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 13:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 15:49                   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 16:31                     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira [this message]
2023-10-26 17:26                       ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26  8:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 13:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-30 13:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-30 13:52               ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26  5:03   ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-25 15:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 15:34 ` Rasmus Villemoes

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