From: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [POC][RFC][PATCH] sched: Extended Scheduler Time Slice
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:31:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <82b0104f-1f05-44b0-9e95-57beecd541c8@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231026114927.46145fe6@gandalf.local.home>
On 10/26/23 17:49, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 09:40:35 -0400
> Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>
>> Hence, why I don't want to associate this with priority inheritance. The
>> time constraint is a fundamental difference.
>
> Let me add one more fundamental difference here that makes this solution
> different than priority inheritance and ceiling.
>
> PI and ceiling define the correctness of the system. If you get it wrong or
> remove it, the system can be incorrect and lock up, fail deadlines, etc.
> There's hundreds, if not thousands of papers mathematically defining the
> correctness of PI, ceiling and proxy execution, as they are complex and
> critical for the system to behave properly.
>
> This feature is a performance boost only, and has nothing to do with
> "correctness". That's because it has that arbitrary time where it can run a
> little more. It's more like the difference between having something in
> cache and a cache miss. This would cause many academics to quit and find a
> job in sales if they had to prove the correctness of an algorithm that gave
> you a boost for some random amount of time. The idea here is to help with
> performance. If it exists, great, your application will likely perform
> better. If it doesn't, no big deal, you may just have to deal with longer
> wait times on critical sections.
terminologies, terminologies.... those academic people :-)
I think that this can also be seen as an extension of the non-preemptive
mode to the user space, but... not entirely, it is a ceiling to the
[ higher than fair/lower than RT ] prior?
and it is not global. It is partitioned: once the section starts, it stays
there, being preempted by RT/DL?
[ trying to understand the implications of it ]
>
> This is why I do not want to associate this as another form of PI or
> ceiling.
>
> -- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-26 16:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-25 9:42 [POC][RFC][PATCH] sched: Extended Scheduler Time Slice Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 9:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 10:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 12:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 14:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 14:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 15:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 15:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 16:24 ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-25 17:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 18:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 19:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 21:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-26 8:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 13:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 15:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 16:31 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira [this message]
2023-10-26 17:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 13:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-30 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-30 13:52 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 5:03 ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-25 15:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 15:34 ` Rasmus Villemoes
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