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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	tj@kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	lizefan.x@bytedance.com, longman@redhat.com,
	kernel-team@cloudflare.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 2/2] cgroup/rstat: Avoid thundering herd problem by kswapd across NUMA nodes
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 12:35:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <849e7b86-b971-47d7-8e31-7eee0918ea33@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkaybPFoM697dtp0CiEJ2zmSYiH2+0yL+KG_LD=ZiscOJA@mail.gmail.com>



On 29/06/2024 00.15, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> [..]
>>>> +    /* Obtained lock, record this cgrp as the ongoing flusher */
>>>> +    if (!READ_ONCE(cgrp_rstat_ongoing_flusher)) {
>>>
>>> Can the above condition will ever be false?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I think so, because I realized that cgroup_rstat_flush_locked() can
>> release/"yield" the lock.  Thus, other CPUs/threads have a chance to
>> call cgroup_rstat_flush, and try to become the "ongoing-flusher".
> 
> Right, there may actually be multiple ongoing flushers. I am now
> wondering if it would be better if we drop cgrp_rstat_ongoing_flusher
> completely, add a per-cgroup under_flush boolean/flag, and have the
> cgroup iterate its parents here to check if any of them is under_flush
> and wait for it instead.
> 
> Yes, we have to add parent iteration here, but I think it may be fine
> because the flush path is already expensive. This will allow us to
> detect if any ongoing flush is overlapping with us, not just the one
> that happened to update cgrp_rstat_ongoing_flusher first.
> 
> WDYT?

No, I don't think we should complicate the code to "support" multiple
ongoing flushers (there is no parallel execution of these). The lock
yielding cause the (I assume) unintended side-effect that multiple
ongoing flushers can exist.  We should work towards only having a single
ongoing flusher.

With the current kswapd rstat contention issue, yielding the lock in the
loop, creates the worst possible case of cache-line trashing, as these
kthreads run on 12 different NUMA nodes.

I'm working towards changing rstat lock to a mutex.  When doing so, we
should not yield the lock in the loop.  This will guarantee only having
a single ongoing flusher, and reduce cache-line trashing.

--Jesper


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-02 10:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-27 21:18 [PATCH V4 1/2] cgroup/rstat: Helper functions for locking expose trylock Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-06-27 21:18 ` [PATCH V4 2/2] cgroup/rstat: Avoid thundering herd problem by kswapd across NUMA nodes Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-06-27 23:34   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-06-28  9:39     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-06-28 22:15       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-02 10:35         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2024-07-02 12:00           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-08 15:26       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-07-16 21:54         ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-07-17  7:46           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-07-17 16:04             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-27 22:22 ` [PATCH V4 1/2] cgroup/rstat: Helper functions for locking expose trylock Waiman Long
2024-06-28  1:06   ` Waiman Long
2024-06-28 12:13   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer

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