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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	 linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 bpf@vger.kernel.org,  Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	 Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 14:53:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871pmle5ng.fsf@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHzjS_vhk6RM6pkfKNrDNeEC=eObofL=f9FZ51tyqrFFz9tn1w@mail.gmail.com> (Song Liu's message of "Wed, 29 Oct 2025 14:18:00 -0700")

Song Liu <song@kernel.org> writes:

> Hi Tejun,
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 1:36 PM Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 01:25:52PM -0700, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> > > BTW, for sched_ext sub-sched support, I'm just adding cgroup_id to
>> > > struct_ops, which seems to work fine. It'd be nice to align on the same
>> > > approach. What are the benefits of doing this through fd?
>> >
>> > Then you can attach a single struct ops to multiple cgroups (or Idk
>> > sockets or processes or some other objects in the future).
>> > And IMO it's just a more generic solution.
>>
>> I'm not very convinced that sharing a single struct_ops instance across
>> multiple cgroups would be all that useful. If you map this to normal
>> userspace programs, a given struct_ops instance is package of code and all
>> the global data (maps). ie. it's not like running the same program multiple
>> times against different targets. It's more akin to running a single program
>> instance which can handle multiple targets.
>>
>> Maybe that's useful in some cases, but that program would have to explicitly
>> distinguish the cgroups that it's attached to. I have a hard time imagining
>> use cases where a single struct_ops has to service multiple disjoint cgroups
>> in the hierarchy and it ends up stepping outside of the usual operation
>> model of cgroups - commonality being expressed through the hierarchical
>> structure.
>
> How about we pass a pointer to mem_cgroup (and/or related pointers)
> to all the callbacks in the struct_ops? AFAICT, in-kernel _ops structures like
> struct file_operations and struct tcp_congestion_ops use this method. And
> we can actually implement struct tcp_congestion_ops in BPF. With the
> struct tcp_congestion_ops model, the struct_ops map and the struct_ops
> link are both shared among multiple instances (sockets).

+1 to this.
I agree it might be debatable when it comes to cgroups, but when it comes to
sockets or similar objects, having a separate struct ops per object
isn't really an option.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-29 21:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01   ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03       ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19         ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34             ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14                 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  0:05                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19             ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24               ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  3:03                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31  6:14                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35                   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18         ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27           ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37             ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  4:32                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56                     ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53           ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2025-10-29 22:43             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  0:03                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  0:16                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  6:33                       ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 21:04   ` Song Liu
2025-10-30  0:43   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:32   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:34   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33   ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30  0:20   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30  5:57   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:02   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00       ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04  1:45         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04  8:18           ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14             ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22               ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:05   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03         ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:08   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31  9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18     ` Michal Hocko

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