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From: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>, Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
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	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hesham Almatary <hesham.almatary@huawei.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	jvgediya.oss@gmail.com, Jagdish Gediya <jvgediya@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 1/8] mm/demotion: Add support for explicit memory tiers
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:54:36 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874jz0s7nv.fsf@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871qu4mo5a.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com>

"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com> writes:

> "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com> writes:
>
>> In the current kernel, memory tiers are defined implicitly via a demotion path
>> relationship between NUMA nodes, which is created during the kernel
>> initialization and updated when a NUMA node is hot-added or hot-removed. The
>> current implementation puts all nodes with CPU into the highest tier, and builds
>> the tier hierarchy tier-by-tier by establishing the per-node demotion targets
>> based on the distances between nodes.
>>
>> This current memory tier kernel implementation needs to be improved for several
>> important use cases,
>>
>> The current tier initialization code always initializes each memory-only NUMA
>> node into a lower tier. But a memory-only NUMA node may have a high performance
>> memory device (e.g. a DRAM-backed memory-only node on a virtual machine) that
>> should be put into a higher tier.
>>
>> The current tier hierarchy always puts CPU nodes into the top tier. But on a
>> system with HBM or GPU devices, the memory-only NUMA nodes mapping these devices
>> should be in the top tier, and DRAM nodes with CPUs are better to be placed into
>> the next lower tier.
>>
>> With current kernel higher tier node can only be demoted to nodes with shortest
>> distance on the next lower tier as defined by the demotion path, not any other
>> node from any lower tier. This strict, demotion order does not work in all use
>> cases (e.g. some use cases may want to allow cross-socket demotion to another
>> node in the same demotion tier as a fallback when the preferred demotion node is
>> out of space), This demotion order is also inconsistent with the page allocation
>> fallback order when all the nodes in a higher tier are out of space: The page
>> allocation can fall back to any node from any lower tier, whereas the demotion
>> order doesn't allow that.
>>
>> This patch series address the above by defining memory tiers explicitly.
>>
>> Linux kernel presents memory devices as NUMA nodes and each memory device is of
>> a specific type. The memory type of a device is represented by its abstract
>> distance. A memory tier corresponds to a range of abstract distance. This allows
>> for classifying memory devices with a specific performance range into a memory
>> tier.
>>
>> This patch configures the range/chunk size to be 128. The default DRAM
>> abstract distance is 512. We can have 4 memory tiers below the default DRAM
>> abstract distance which cover the range 0 - 127, 127 - 255, 256- 383, 384 - 511.
>> Slower memory devices like persistent memory will have abstract distance below
>> the default DRAM level and hence will be placed in these 4 lower tiers.
>
> For abstract distance, the lower value means higher performance, higher
> value means lower performance.  So the abstract distance of PMEM should
> be smaller than that of DRAM.

I noticed that after sending v11 and did send v12 fixing that already
which can be found 

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20220729061349.968148-1-aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com

>
>> A kernel parameter is provided to override the default memory tier.
>
> Forget to delete?

yes. Also fixed in v12.

-aneesh


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-29  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-28 19:04 [PATCH v11 0/8] mm/demotion: Memory tiers and demotion Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 1/8] mm/demotion: Add support for explicit memory tiers Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-29  6:25   ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-29  7:24     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V [this message]
2022-08-02  2:50   ` Dan Williams
2022-08-02  3:16     ` Huang, Ying
2022-08-02  3:40       ` Dan Williams
2022-08-02  5:03         ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-02  6:57         ` Huang, Ying
2022-08-02  9:34           ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-04  0:56             ` Huang, Ying
2022-08-04  4:49               ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-04  5:19                 ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 2/8] mm/demotion: Move memory demotion related code Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 3/8] mm/demotion: Add hotplug callbacks to handle new numa node onlined Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 4/8] mm/demotion/dax/kmem: Set node's abstract distance to MEMTIER_ADISTANCE_PMEM Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-29  6:20   ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-29  7:19     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-08-01  2:06       ` Huang, Ying
2022-08-01  4:40         ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-01  5:10           ` Huang, Ying
2022-08-01  5:38             ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-01  6:37               ` Huang, Ying
2022-08-01  6:55                 ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-01  7:13                   ` Huang, Ying
2022-08-01  7:41                     ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-02  1:58                       ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 5/8] mm/demotion: Build demotion targets based on explicit memory tiers Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-29  6:35   ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-29  7:22     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-08-01  2:15       ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 6/8] mm/demotion: Add pg_data_t member to track node memory tier details Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 7/8] mm/demotion: Demote pages according to allocation fallback order Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-28 19:04 ` [PATCH v11 8/8] mm/demotion: Update node_is_toptier to work with memory tiers Aneesh Kumar K.V
2022-07-29  6:39   ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-29  6:41     ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-07-29  6:47       ` Aneesh Kumar K V
2022-08-01  1:04         ` Huang, Ying
2022-07-29  5:30 ` [PATCH v11 0/8] mm/demotion: Memory tiers and demotion Huang, Ying
2022-07-29  6:17   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V

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