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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 bpf@vger.kernel.org, Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	 Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2025 13:36:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875xbsglra.fsf@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQR7HIiQ82Ye2UfA@tiehlicka> (Michal Hocko's message of "Fri, 31 Oct 2025 10:02:20 +0100")

Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> writes:

> On Mon 27-10-25 16:17:09, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> Introduce a bpf struct ops for implementing custom OOM handling
>> policies.
>> 
>> It's possible to load one bpf_oom_ops for the system and one
>> bpf_oom_ops for every memory cgroup. In case of a memcg OOM, the
>> cgroup tree is traversed from the OOM'ing memcg up to the root and
>> corresponding BPF OOM handlers are executed until some memory is
>> freed. If no memory is freed, the kernel OOM killer is invoked.
>
> Do you have any usecase in mind where parent memcg oom handler decides
> to not kill or cannot kill anything and hand over upwards in the
> hierarchy?

I believe that in most cases bpf handlers will handle ooms themselves,
but because strictly speaking I don't have control over what bpf
programs do or do not, the kernel should provide the fallback mechanism.
This is a common practice with bpf, e.g. sched_ext falls back to
CFS/EEVDF in case something is wrong.

Specifically to OOM case, I believe someone might want to use bpf
programs just for monitoring/collecting some information, without
trying to actually free some memory.

>> The struct ops provides the bpf_handle_out_of_memory() callback,
>> which expected to return 1 if it was able to free some memory and 0
>> otherwise. If 1 is returned, the kernel also checks the bpf_memory_freed
>> field of the oom_control structure, which is expected to be set by
>> kfuncs suitable for releasing memory. If both are set, OOM is
>> considered handled, otherwise the next OOM handler in the chain
>> (e.g. BPF OOM attached to the parent cgroup or the in-kernel OOM
>> killer) is executed.
>
> Could you explain why do we need both? Why is not bpf_memory_freed
> return value sufficient?

Strictly speaking, bpf_memory_freed should be enough, but because
bpf programs have to return an int and there is no additional cost
to add this option (pass to next or in-kernel oom handler), I thought
it's not a bad idea. If you feel strongly otherwise, I can ignore
the return value on rely on bpf_memory_freed only.

>
>> The bpf_handle_out_of_memory() callback program is sleepable to enable
>> using iterators, e.g. cgroup iterators. The callback receives struct
>> oom_control as an argument, so it can determine the scope of the OOM
>> event: if this is a memcg-wide or system-wide OOM.
>
> This could be tricky because it might introduce a subtle and hard to
> debug lock dependency chain. lock(a); allocation() -> oom -> lock(a).
> Sleepable locks should be only allowed in trylock mode.

Agree, but it's achieved by controlling the context where oom can be
declared (e.g. in bpf_psi case it's done from a work context).

>
>> The callback is executed just before the kernel victim task selection
>> algorithm, so all heuristics and sysctls like panic on oom,
>> sysctl_oom_kill_allocating_task and sysctl_oom_kill_allocating_task
>> are respected.
>
> I guess you meant to say and sysctl_panic_on_oom.

Yep, fixed.
>
>> BPF OOM struct ops provides the handle_cgroup_offline() callback
>> which is good for releasing struct ops if the corresponding cgroup
>> is gone.
>
> What kind of synchronization is expected between handle_cgroup_offline
> and bpf_handle_out_of_memory?

You mean from a user's perspective? E.g. can these two callbacks run in
parallel? Currently yes, but it's a good question, I haven't thought
about it, maybe it's better to synchronize them.
Internally both rely on srcu to pin bpf_oom_ops in memory.

>  
>> The struct ops also has the name field, which allows to define a
>> custom name for the implemented policy. It's printed in the OOM report
>> in the oom_policy=<policy> format. "default" is printed if bpf is not
>> used or policy name is not specified.
>
> oom_handler seems like a better fit but nothing I would insist on. Also
> I would just print it if there is an actual handler so that existing
> users who do not use bpf oom killers do not need to change their
> parsers.

Sure, works for me too.

>
> Other than that this looks reasonable to me.

Sound great, thank you for taking a look!


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-02 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01   ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03       ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19         ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34             ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14                 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  0:05                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19             ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24               ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  3:03                 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31  6:14                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35                   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18         ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27           ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37             ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  4:32                 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56                     ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53               ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  0:03                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30  0:16                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30  6:33                       ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 21:04   ` Song Liu
2025-10-30  0:43   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:32   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  8:34   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33   ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30  0:20   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30  5:57   ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:02   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36     ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2025-11-03 19:00       ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04  1:45         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04  8:18           ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14             ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22               ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:05   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03         ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32           ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31  9:08   ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31  9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48   ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18     ` Michal Hocko

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