From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 20/23] sched: psi: implement bpf_psi struct ops
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2025 12:54:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87cy66pztj.fsf@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQEM7LXpZdOpsgvU@slm.duckdns.org> (Tejun Heo's message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2025 08:35:24 -1000")
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> writes:
> Hello,
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 11:29:31AM -0700, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> > Here, too, I wonder whether it's necessary to build a hard-coded
>> > infrastructure to hook into PSI's triggers. psi_avgs_work() is what triggers
>> > these events and it's not that hot. Wouldn't a fexit attachment to that
>> > function that reads the updated values be enough? We can also easily add a
>> > TP there if a more structured access is desirable.
>>
>> Idk, it would require re-implementing parts of the kernel PSI trigger code
>> in BPF, without clear benefits.
>>
>> Handling PSI in BPF might be quite useful outside of the OOM handling,
>> e.g. it can be used for scheduling decisions, networking throttling,
>> memory tiering, etc. So maybe I'm biased (and I'm obviously am here), but
>> I'm not too concerned about adding infrastructure which won't be used.
>>
>> But I understand your point. I personally feel that the added complexity of
>> the infrastructure makes writing and maintaining BPF PSI programs
>> simpler, but I'm open to other opinions here.
>
> Yeah, I mean, I'm not necessarily against adding infrastructure if the need
> is justified - ie. it enables new things which isn't reasonably feasible
> otherwise. However, it's also a good idea to start small, iterate and build
> up. It's always easier to add new things than to remove stuff which is
> already out there. Wouldn't it make more sense to add the minimum mechanism,
> see how things develop and add what's identified as missing in the
> process?
Ok, let me try the TP approach and see how it will look like.
If there won't see any significant downsides, I'll drop the BPF PSI triggers
infrastructure.
Thanks!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-28 19:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-27 23:21 [PATCH v2 11/23] mm: introduce BPF kfunc to access memory events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 12/23] bpf: selftests: selftests for memcg stat kfuncs Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 13/23] mm: introduce bpf_out_of_memory() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:43 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-10 9:46 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-11 19:13 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-12 7:50 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 14/23] mm: allow specifying custom oom constraint for BPF triggers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:58 ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 16:20 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 16:35 ` Chris Mason
2025-11-10 9:31 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-11 19:17 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-12 7:52 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 15/23] mm: introduce bpf_task_is_oom_victim() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:32 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 18:31 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 16/23] libbpf: introduce bpf_map__attach_struct_ops_opts() Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:07 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:24 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 17/23] bpf: selftests: introduce read_cgroup_file() helper Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:31 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 18/23] bpf: selftests: BPF OOM handler test Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 19/23] sched: psi: refactor psi_trigger_create() Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 20/23] sched: psi: implement bpf_psi struct ops Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:40 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:29 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 18:35 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 19:54 ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 21/23] sched: psi: implement bpf_psi_create_trigger() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 22/23] bpf: selftests: add config for psi Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 23/23] bpf: selftests: PSI struct ops test Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:13 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:30 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-11-10 9:48 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-11 19:03 ` Roman Gushchin
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