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From: "Huang\, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
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	JXrXme Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
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	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -V3 -mm] mm, swap: Fix race between swapoff and some swap operations
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 16:08:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lghzta1i.fsf@yhuang-dev.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171219053650.GB7829@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (Paul E. McKenney's message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2017 21:36:50 -0800")

"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> writes:

> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 09:57:21AM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
>> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 03:41:41PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
>> >> "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com> writes:
>> >> And, it appears that if we replace smp_wmb() in _enable_swap_info() with
>> >> stop_machine() in some way, we can avoid smp_rmb() in get_swap_device().
>> >> This can reduce overhead in normal path further.  Can we get same effect
>> >> with RCU?  For example, use synchronize_rcu() instead of stop_machine()?
>> >> 
>> >> Hi, Paul, can you help me on this?
>> >
>> > If the key loads before and after the smp_rmb() are within the same
>> > RCU read-side critical section, -and- if one of the critical writes is
>> > before the synchronize_rcu() and the other critical write is after the
>> > synchronize_rcu(), then you normally don't need the smp_rmb().
>> >
>> > Otherwise, you likely do still need the smp_rmb().
>> 
>> My question may be too general, let make it more specific.  For the
>> following program,
>> 
>> "
>> int a;
>> int b;
>> 
>> void intialize(void)
>> {
>>         a = 1;
>>         synchronize_rcu();
>>         b = 2;
>> }
>> 
>> void test(void)
>> {
>>         int c;
>> 
>>         rcu_read_lock();
>>         c = b;
>>         /* ignored smp_rmb() */
>>         if (c)
>>                 pr_info("a=%d\n", a);
>>         rcu_read_unlock();
>> }
>> "
>> 
>> Is it possible for it to show
>> 
>> "
>> a=0
>> "
>> 
>> in kernel log?
>> 
>> 
>> If it couldn't, this could be a useful usage model of RCU to accelerate
>> hot path.
>
> This is not possible, and it can be verified using the Linux kernel
> memory model.  An introduction to an older version of this model may
> be found here (including an introduction to litmus tests and their
> output):
>
> 	https://lwn.net/Articles/718628/
> 	https://lwn.net/Articles/720550/
>
> The litmus test and its output are shown below.
>
> The reason it is not possible is that the entirety of test()'s RCU
> read-side critical section must do one of two things:
>
> 1.	Come before the return from initialize()'s synchronize_rcu().
> 2.	Come after the call to initialize()'s synchronize_rcu().
>
> Suppose test()'s load from "b" sees initialize()'s assignment.  Then
> some part of test()'s RCU read-side critical section came after
> initialize()'s call to synchronize_rcu(), which means that the entirety
> of test()'s RCU read-side critical section must come after initialize()'s
> call to synchronize_rcu().  Therefore, whenever "c" is non-zero, the
> pr_info() must see "a" non-zero.
>
> 							Thanx, Paul
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> C MP-o-sync-o+rl-o-ctl-o-rul
>
> {}
>
> P0(int *a, int *b)
> {
> 	WRITE_ONCE(*a, 1);
> 	synchronize_rcu();
> 	WRITE_ONCE(*b, 2);
> }
>
> P1(int *a, int *b)
> {
> 	int r0;
> 	int r1;
>
> 	rcu_read_lock();
> 	r0 = READ_ONCE(*b);
> 	if (r0)
> 		r1 = READ_ONCE(*a);
> 	rcu_read_unlock();
> }
>
> exists (1:r0=1 /\ 1:r1=0)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> States 2
> 1:r0=0; 1:r1=0;
> 1:r0=2; 1:r1=1;
> No
> Witnesses
> Positive: 0 Negative: 2
> Condition exists (1:r0=1 /\ 1:r1=0)
> Observation MP-o-sync-o+rl-o-ctl-o-rul Never 0 2
> Time MP-o-sync-o+rl-o-ctl-o-rul 0.01
> Hash=b20eca2da50fa84b15e489502420ff56
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The "Never 0 2" means that the condition cannot happen.

Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation!  That helps me much!

Best Regards,
Huang, Ying

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      reply	other threads:[~2017-12-19  8:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-18  7:34 [PATCH -V3 -mm] mm, swap: Fix race between swapoff and some swap operations Huang, Ying
2017-12-18  7:41 ` Huang, Ying
2017-12-18 21:13   ` Junaid Shahid
2017-12-18 23:09   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-19  1:57     ` Huang, Ying
2017-12-19  5:36       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-12-19  8:08         ` Huang, Ying [this message]

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